Mr. Chairman, the hon. member is quite wrong. We have had an operating surplus since 1994. That means our expenditures on program spending have been lower than the revenue we have generated. It is not our debt that has been increasing the payment of interest; it is the debt we inherited that has increased it. The interest payments on that debt are the total amount.
I am sorry, but the hon. member is dead wrong on that. We have had an operating surplus since 1994.