Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is one of the more moderate members of the Reform Party. However he stated some things that I do not think carry a lot of water.
He is using the New Jersey model to cut taxes. Let us take a look at that New Jersey model since he brought it up. New Jersey is now the most polarized state in the United States. The poor have never been more poor and the rich have never been more rich. The middle class has shrunk. That is the state that cut taxes. It is a model that was used by one of our provinces in its approach to an election.
The other model he used was New Zealand. New Zealand has not recovered from the crash of its program. it is still not on its feet yet. It is not a vibrant society.
Why are the major financial lenders in the world giving kudos to Canada? It is because we are attacking the problems in a thorough manner. The government has set targets and it will reach those targets, as stated by the Minister of Finance.
The hon. member talked about a fractious caucus. There is no more fractious caucus than the one to which he belongs. That caucus brings its members back to account to them and some come out in tears. It does not paint a very good picture of a party's solidarity.
He also talked about freedom of speech. That does not speak well for the party either. Talk about practising the new politics. The party that came into power saying it was going to do it a new way but it just found a new way of doing the old things better.
This is not as easy as one thinks from the outside. It takes a lot of co-ordination and practice among all of the parties. To bring laws into place a lot of consultation has to take place and there is no knee-jerk reaction to it.
I wanted to pick up on those points made by the hon. member. I have one question for him. Has the Reform Party chosen to use the New Jersey model for a tax cut model the same as the province of Ontario did and end up as a result with a polarized community of the very rich and very poor?