Madam Speaker, in the last election campaign when Reform proposed targeting old age security to those most in need, the Liberals promised that they would never end universality of old age security. Now the finance minister has done that.
We could not believe them on the GST. We cannot trust them on old age security. The numbers the hon. member used in terms of deficit reduction are yet to happen sometime in the future.
The Liberal government has made a little progress on the deficit. Canada's debt is the second highest in the industrialized world and it is still being added to every year.
It is so difficult to understand how members of that party can say with a straight face that they are doing what has to be done to assure that the money will be there for social programs into the future because they have not.