Mr. Speaker, I think the minister wants us to defend their tokenism as they appoint people to the Senate while thousands of people are going without and are absolutely destitute across this country. We will never support any appointment to the other House, no matter who it is. For this minister to ask that I think is out of order.
The minister is out of touch with her own department when she said yesterday that the Alexander First Nation in my constituency was a model of good management—