Madam Speaker, I believe the hon. member has confused the record once again. What the seniors in Windsor and Essex County said, and very clearly at the meetings I was at, is that they did not want a 25.5% withholding tax. They wanted that system changed. We told them up front that they cannot go back to the 50%. We have to do something new. We sat down with them and worked out the numbers.
Originally the majority of the people from the case group thought the 85% inclusion rate was fair because it benefited low income and middle income seniors. The people who are going to be affected or are going to have perhaps higher taxes than under the 25.5% are those who are in the upper income the hon. member speaks on behalf of.
Anyone in the middle or lower income under an 85% inclusion rate will pay little or no tax and will pay a lot less tax than under the 25.5% withholding tax. We cannot go back three steps. We have to move forward.
We were dealing with a 25.5% withholding tax. We have to go into the future and that is what we are doing.
I can guarantee we are fighting on behalf of low income and middle income seniors and all seniors so they are on parity with their Canadian neighbours, where as the Reform Party stands today and the numbers will show that it is only fighting for the rich.