Mr. Speaker, I think it would be hard to get the message on tax cuts across to this Liberal member in the next five minutes. They have not learned anything in three and a half years from us, so five minutes is not going to solve that problem.
The hon. member did talk about cutting the size of government. The Liberals of course believe that big is better. There is no doubt about that. They have displayed that.
Reformers, on the other hand, would prefer to work with a lean and mean government, no waste. The problem with this Liberal Party is it believes in this big bureaucracy. We want to be lean.
The fact is we want to cut spending. We want to cut the government waste. There is about $15 billion a year in government waste because of this big government policy that the Liberals are so proud of.
The hon. member did not read our fresh start. We are going to put $4 billion back into health care and education. The Liberals ripped the heart out of those programs to the tune of $7.5 billion.
How could the hon. member have the audacity to stand up and say that it is the Reformers who are going to hurt health care and education when his very government has ripped $7.5 billion out of health care and education? How does he explain that to people in my town who go to the hospital and find a third of the beds closed and line-ups for operations? How does he explain that to students who cannot afford tuitions because of the cutbacks that this Liberal government has made in education?
That is hypocritical. That is hypocrisy at its finest, absolute hypocrisy.