House of Commons Hansard #145 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was magazines.

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Privilege

10:05 a.m.

The Speaker

I am now ready to rule on the question of privilege raised by the House Leader of the Official Opposition on October 19, 1998, concerning the Canada Millennium Scolarship Foundation.

First, I would like to thank all the hon. members who made comments on this matter: the Leader of the Government in the House, the hon. member for Calgary-Nose Hill and the hon. member for Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys.

The House leader of the official opposition has recalled a matter which had been previously raised by the hon. member for Calgary—Nose Hill on February 26, 1998 concerning the Canada millennium scholarship foundation.

In his submission the hon. member for Langley—Abbotsford argued that an issue relating to the February 26 question of privilege remained unresolved. That issue was the allocation of money for the establishment of the foundation before parliament had the opportunity to consider the matter. He deplored the fact that there had been no legislation setting up this foundation, nor had the budget announcement allocating $2.5 billion to the foundation been adopted. In his opinion this constitutes a contempt of parliament.

It has been several months since this matter was first raised and I took it upon myself to refresh my memory as to the sequence of events.

The Millennium Scholarship Foundation was refferred to in general terms in the Speech from the Throne in September 1997, and was subsequently a provision of the Budget presented on February 24, 1998. This Budget was adopted by the House on March 10, 1998, and Bill C-36, the legislation implementing its provisions, was introduced on March 19, 1998, and was given Royal Assent on June 18, 1998.

Budgets by nature refer to actions the government intends to take and often include the proposed amount of money to be allocated. The announcement of such policies does not preclude parliament from making a decision on the subsequent implementing legislation.

In support of his argument the hon. member referred to new evidence relating to this matter. In particular, he alluded to the auditor general's report to parliament as well as an article that appeared in the Ottawa Sun on October 18, 1998. The member quoted from this article in support of the view that the government had not followed proper accounting practices when it charged the costs for the millennium scholarship fund to fiscal year 1997-98 when the expenditures would not take place until a year later. The hon. member noted how this action by the government was being portrayed as a contempt of the House. The member went on to state correctly that contempt of the House is a matter that must be resolved here in the House of Commons and nowhere else.

The Chair always takes very seriously any allegation of contempt. On the subject of contempt, Maingot states at page 229 of the 2nd Edition of his work, Parliamentary Privilege in Canada :

“Any act or omission which obstructs or impedes either House of Parliament in the performance of its functions, or which obstructs or impedes any Member or officer of such House in the discharge of his “parliamentary” duty, or which has a tendency, directly or indirectly to produce such results may be treated as a contempt even though there is no precedent for the offence.”

My colleagues, in the matter before us the hon. member argues that the government by its accounting practice of charging the costs of the millennium scholarship foundation to fiscal year 1997-98 before legislative action is taken by the House is making a mockery of our parliamentary system and that this constitutes contempt of the House. However, as Maingot indicates, the test is whether the action of the government obstructs or impedes the House in the discharge of its parliamentary duty.

I do not believe the House has been obstructed or its members impeded in the discharge of their parliamentary duties. Members have not been prevented from debating the matter at issue here, nor has the authority of the House been brought into question or circumvented. Indeed the auditor general's reports on these matters are permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(e) and that committee can pursue these matters at length and report to the House thereon if it so wishes.

Whether or not the accounting practices of the government are appropriate is a matter for political debate and it is also a subject that members may choose to raise. Notwithstanding the previous debates on the budget and the implementation legislation, members are not precluded from bringing up this issue for consideration by the House through the usual procedures available.

In my view it is not the Speaker's role to comment on the government's accounting practices and interfere thereby with matters which the House has given to the auditor general by statute and to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts by standing order.

In my opinion the information offered by the hon. member for Langley—Abbotsford does not represent evidence, prima facie, of a contempt of parliament or a breach of privilege.

I thank the hon. member for having brought his matter to the attention of the House.

Managing For Results 1998Routine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Hull—Aylmer Québec

Liberal

Marcel Massé LiberalPresident of the Treasury Board and Minister responsible for Infrastructure

Madam Speaker, as a result of a comprehensive effort to inform parliamentarians and Canadians of the government's record, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, a report entitled “Managing for Results 1998”, the annual report of the President of the Treasury Board to Parliament.

I also have the honour to table the 80 reports on the performance of government departments and agencies.

A message from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting supplementary estimates (B) for the financial year ending March 31, 1999 was presented by the President of the Treasury Board and read by the Speaker to the House.

Supplementary Estimates (B), 1998-99Routine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Hull—Aylmer Québec

Liberal

Marcel Massé LiberalPresident of the Treasury Board and Minister responsible for Infrastructure

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Orders 81(5) and 81(6), I wish to introduce a motion concerning referral of the estimates to the standing committees of the House.

Therefore, I move:

That the Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1999, laid upon the Table on October 29, 1998, be referred to the several standing committees of the House in accordance with the detailed allocation attached.

There is a lengthy list associated with the motion. If it is agreeable to the House I would ask that the list be printed in Hansard as if it had been read.

Supplementary Estimates (B), 1998-99Routine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

Is that agreed?

Supplementary Estimates (B), 1998-99Routine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

To the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development

—Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1b, 5b, 6b, 10b, 15b, L20b, L26b, 30b, 40b and 45b

To the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

—Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1b, 5b, 15b, 20b and 25b

To the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

—Canadian Heritage, Votes 1b, 5b, 20b, 25b, 30b, 40b, 50b, 60b, 65b, 70b, 75b, 80b, 85b, 90b, 95b, 105b, 110b, 120b, 125b and 135b

To the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

—Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 1b and 5b

To the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

—Environment, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b and 15b

To the Standing Committee on Finance

—Finance, Votes 1b, L11b and 35b —National Revenue, Votes 1b and 10b

To the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

—Fisheries and Oceans, Vote 1b, 5b and 10b

To the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

—Foreign Affairs, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 20b, 25b, 40b and 45b

To the Standing Committee on Health

—Health, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b and 25b

To the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

—Human Resources Development, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b and 35b

To the Standing Committee on Industry

—Industry, Votes 1b, 5b, 20b, 25b, 30b, 35b, 50b, 55b, 65b, 70b, 75b, 85b, 90b, 95b, 100b, 110b, 115b and 120b

To the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

—Justice, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b, 25b, 35b, 40b, 45b and 50b —Solicitor General, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b, 25b, 30b, 45b and 50b

To the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

—National Defence, Votes 1b, 5b and 10b —Veterans Affairs, Votes 1b and 10b

To the Standing Committee on Natural Resources and Government Operations

—Canadian Heritage, Votes 130b —Governor General, Vote 1b —Natural Resources, Votes 1b, 10b, 20b, 25b and 35b —Parliament, Vote 1b —Privy Council, Votes 1b, 5b, 35b and 46b —Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b and 21b —Treasury Board, Vote 1b and 10b

To the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

—Parliament, Vote 5b

To the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

—Finance, Vote 30b

To the Standing Committee on Transport

—Privy Council, Vote 15b —Transport, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 27b and 30b

To the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament

—Parliament, Vote 10b

To the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages

—Privy Council, Vote 25b

(Motion agreed to)

Government Response To PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Liberal

Peter Adams LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to nine petitions.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Reform

Monte Solberg Reform Medicine Hat, AB

Madam Speaker, I have two petitions to present today on the issue of firearms registration. The petitioners call on the government to repeal Bill C-68 and to redirect the hundreds of millions of tax dollars being wasted on the licensing and registration of legally owned guns by responsible firearms owners to things proven to be more cost effective, such as reducing violent crime and improving public safety, having more police on the streets, particularly in British Columbia, having more crime prevention programs, more suicide prevention programs, more women's crisis centres, more anti-smuggling campaigns and more resources for fighting organized crime and street gangs.

These petitions come from my constituents in the riding of Medicine Hat.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Reform

Chuck Cadman Reform Surrey North, BC

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present a petition signed by some 1,200 residents of the lower mainland of British Columbia.

Child prostitution is a blight on our society and these petitioners request parliament to raise the age of sexual consent between a young person and an adult from 14 years to 16 years.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Reform

Lee Morrison Reform Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have three petitions to present which are identical in form and content. They come from the communities of Bengough, Ogema, Melville, Canora, Kamsack and St. Wallburg in Saskatchewan. They bear a total of 372 signatures.

These petitioners are concerned with the effects of Bill C-68 which will come into full force on December 1.

They state that there is no evidence that this legislation will be beneficial and that the search and seizure provisions of Bill C-68 would constitute a breach of traditional civil liberties and be an affront to law-abiding Canadians. They humbly pray and call upon parliament to repeal Bill C-68 and all associated regulations with respect to firearms or ammunition and to pass new legislation designed to severely penalize the criminal use of any weapon.

This brings the total number of signatures that I have received on petitions of this nature in the last few months to 4,398.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:20 a.m.

Reform

Dale Johnston Reform Wetaskiwin, AB

Madam Speaker, I have a petition signed by members of the towns of Wetaskiwin, Millet and Leduc in my riding who want to call the attention of parliament to the following: “Whereas the majority of Canadians understand the concept of marriage as only the voluntary union of a single, that is, unmarried male and a single, that is, unmarried female, it is the duty of parliament to ensure that marriage, as it has always been known and understood in Canada, be preserved and protected”.

Therefore, the petitioners pray that parliament enact legislation such as Bill C-225 so as to define in statute that marriage can only be entered into between a single male and a single female.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:20 a.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Liberal

Peter Adams LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I suggest that all questions be allowed to stand.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:20 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

Is that agreed?

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:20 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The House resumed from October 28 consideration of the motion that Bill C-57, an act to amend the Nunavut Act with respect to the Nunavut Court of Justice and to amend other acts in consequence, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

October 29th, 1998 / 10:20 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

Is the House ready for the question?

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Some hon. members

Question.

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

The question is on the motion for second reading of Bill C-57. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

An hon. member

On division.

Nunavut ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

I declare the motion carried.

(Bill read the second time and referred to a committee)

The House resumed from October 27 consideration of the motion that Bill C-55, an act respecting advertising services supplied by foreign periodical publishers, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

Foreign Publishers Advertising Services ActGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Ottawa—Vanier Ontario

Liberal

Mauril Bélanger LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Minister of Canadian Heritage

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to express my support for Bill C-55, an act respecting advertising services supplied by foreign periodical publishers.

I will be sharing my time with the member for Parkdale—High Park.

Revenues from the sale of advertising services are part of the economic fabric and the very foundation of the Canadian periodical industry. They play a pivotal role in supporting and guaranteeing the survival of the Canadian periodical industry, and of its Canadian content.

They are also one of the primary means of ensuring the vitality and viability of this Canadian cultural resource.

In the 1950s less than a quarter of all magazines circulating in Canada were produced by Canadian publishers. Today that number is nearly three-quarters.

A provider of over 6,000 Canadian jobs and more than $194 million in salaries, wages and fees, the Canadian periodical industry is comprised of over 1,000 small and medium sized companies.

The bill will help make Canadian advertising revenues accessible to more Canadian publishers, a group which includes a growing number of young Canadians, all of them creative and talented.

The Canadian periodical industry is an important vehicle for Canadians' ideas, values, dreams, and pride.

Without continued access to revenues from the sale of advertising services, this success could be seriously eroded. Low incremental costs would allow foreign publishers to sell advertising services directed at the Canadian market at discount rates.

Foreign publishers simply do not incur the costs of Canadian publishers because foreign publishers do not invest in producing content for the Canadian market. Foreign publishers do not hire Canadian writers, engage Canadian photographers or other Canadian creative talents.

As members of parliament and as Canadians, we have the duty to ensure that our children and grandchildren see, hear, read and discover the stories of their country.

The bill before the House today meets a pivotal challenge in our pursuit of that important promise. The foreign publishers advertising services act establishes a fair and effective framework for the distribution of advertising dollars in the Canadian markets. It will ensure that Canadian publishers continue to have access to the advertising revenues they need to thrive. It will guarantee that only Canadian publishers will be able to sell advertising services aimed at Canadians. It will put in place tough penalties for foreign publishers who attempt to go against the regulations flowing from this proposed legislation.

Today, in Canada, general interest periodicals bring in only about 7% of the total advertising revenues available in the Canadian market, the lowest share of all advertising revenues of the various media. This situation is due in part to the presence of foreign periodicals in Canada and to the fact that Canadian advertising goes to foreign periodicals.>

If foreign periodical publishers were given unlimited access to the Canadian market, Canadian content periodicals would become considerably less visible.

Clearly we need to put in place advertising measures that will give our periodicals a fair shake. Clearly we must do what we can to enable our Canadian storytellers to tell our Canadian stories. Clearly we must see to it that Canadian readers have the greatest access possible to those stories.

As the Prime Minister and the Minister of Canadian Heritage have stated time and again, Canadians must be able to see themselves in the stories we read and in the stories we share with the world.

That said, Canada intends to play by the rules. So, the measure proposed is in keeping with our commitments to international trade. Canada is a bridge builder. Our commercial and economic markets are among the world's most liberalized.

Through this legislation Canada is upholding these roles and responsibilities to the fullest. In no way will this bill affect the importation of foreign magazines into Canada. In no way will this bill impede the access of foreign magazines to the Canadian market. In no way will this bill target current advertising operations of foreign publishers already in the Canadian market.

Word for word, the foreign publishers advertising services act is consistent with all of Canada's international advertising service obligations under the general agreement on trade and services.

We are reconciling align Canada's cultural objectives and its trade objectives. We are reconciling our roles as citizens of Canada and of the world.

Canadians want to read more than just the articles appearing in Maclean's , L'Actualité and Châtelaine , and they also want greater access to more periodicals such as Garden West and Safarir .

It will help maintain a level playing field in Canada to preserve a prominent place for Canadians to see their own reflection.

Canada's periodical industry was built by creative and talented individual Canadians and it has been driven to success by the powerful collective will of our nation.

The foreign publishers advertising services act honours that strength and that drive. It pays homage to past successes and draws strength from that force of will. The foreign publishers advertising services act will guarantee a prominent and sustained place for the ideas, dreams and vision of our Canadian children and grandchildren.

Therefore I move:

That the question be now put.

Foreign Publishers Advertising Services ActGovernment Orders

10:25 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

The House has heard the terms of the motion. Is the House prepared to accept the motion?

Foreign Publishers Advertising Services ActGovernment Orders

10:25 a.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Foreign Publishers Advertising Services ActGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)

On questions and comments, the hon. member for Medicine Hat.