Madam Speaker, I point out to the member that the Reform Party has done fairly well. It did displace eight Liberals in the west in the last election. The old Reform Party functioned fairly effectively as well as the new Reform Party does, as the member puts it.
It is safe to say Reformers believe very strongly that we need to reduce EI premiums. That was part of our election platform in the 1997 election. We also point out the government should hold the line on spending instead of engaging in $11 billion in new spending initiatives and cooking the books to try to run up a big surplus. If it would hold the line it would find it would have ample money to both reduce EI premiums and reduce personal income taxes and to start the process of paying down Canada's behemoth debt of $583 billion. Being a little disciplined opens up a world of options for the government.