Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is quite right. It is not owning the car, it is using it. It is the same thing with guns.
We said that if gun owners want to own a prohibited weapon, then they can disarm it. If they have a collection they can disarm all the guns. But no, they would not go for that. They do not want that. The gun is not real then. I think black powder and a ball will kill you just as fast—