Order, please. An hon. member has the floor and it is very difficult for the Chair to hear the hon. member because of the loud conversations that are being carried on in the House.
I remind hon. members that there are lobbies where these discussions can take place. I invite members who are having discussions to please carry them on outside the Chamber so those who wish to hear the debate will be able to do so. The hon. member for Waterloo—Wellington has the floor.