House of Commons Hansard #14 of the 36th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was finance.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:10 p.m.
Reform
Grant McNally Reform Dewdney—Alouette, BC
Yes, they are. It happened earlier today. The second speaker can move an amendment. It is done all the time. It was done on a motion before us today and it is done on most supply day motions as well.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:10 p.m.
Reform
Jim Gouk Reform West Kootenay—Okanagan, BC
Madam Speaker, I rise further to the points of order that have already been raised. I believe that if splitting time meant two members making a single speech, they would continue unbroken and then questions and comments would be delivered to either one of them.
The House recognizes one speaker and then breaks up even the question and answer period, not to an unlimited amount of time but to a specific half, and then goes to the next hon. member. That is prima facie proof that the Chair recognizes each as separate and distinct speakers.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
I will read something from the standing orders on page 24 entitled “Period of debate divided in two”:
The Whip of a party may indicate to the Speaker at any time during a debate governed by this Standing Order that one or more of the periods of debate limited pursuant to section (1) of this Standing Order and allotted to Members of his or her party are to be divided in two.
Obviously we are talking here of just one period.
To continue on the point of order raised earlier, when, in the course of a debate, a member rises to move a motion, he automatically loses his right to continue the debate. In other words, he automatically loses his turn.
The debate coming from the opposition must now pass to the other side of the House.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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Reform
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The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
Is it the same point of order?
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Reform
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
I have already given a decision on that point of order.
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Reform
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
Are you talking about more information?
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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Reform
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
I recognize the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River, but make it pertinent, please.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
Reform
Jay Hill Reform Prince George—Peace River, BC
Madam Speaker, earlier today I raised a point of order because according to Standing Order 74(2), ironically enough the same standing order you just read, the whip of the party has to be present at which time members are given the right to divide their time.
The Speaker ruled that standard convention was that this be allowed to happen regardless of the fact that it goes contrary to the standing orders, which clearly state that the whip must be present. The Speaker ruled at the time that standing convention was that the speech was divided into two, and that was accepted practice.
I contend that the accepted practice of the House is that they are two distinct speeches, as outlined by my colleagues. If it is standard practice—
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
I have already ruled on that point.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
Reform
Dick Harris Reform Prince George—Bulkley Valley, BC
Madam Speaker, I have a different point of order.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
If it is a different point of order I will recognize the member for Prince George—Bulkley Valley.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
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Reform
Dick Harris Reform Prince George—Bulkley Valley, BC
Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the member for Prince George—Peace River, that the member—
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:15 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
Since I have not recognized anybody on debate at this point, the motion is premature.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
Reform
Jim Gouk Reform West Kootenay—Okanagan, BC
Madam Speaker, I rise on a different point of order.
A little earlier today, before the vote occurred, the member for Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys was speaking. During his speech he made direct reference toward the Reform Party and started using terms like jackboots.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
This is not a point of order, it is a point of debate.
Resuming debate, the hon. member for Mississauga West.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
Reform
Dick Harris Reform Prince George—Bulkley Valley, BC
Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I move that the member for Vancouver Island North be now heard.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
The member for Vancouver Island North has already spoken. Therefore, he cannot be recognized.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
Reform
Jay Hill Reform Prince George—Peace River, BC
Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I move that the hon. member for Blackstrap now be heard.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault)
I had already recognized the member for Mississauga West who was moving a motion. The member for Blackstrap had not risen. The member's motion is not receivable.
Committees Of The HouseRoutine Proceedings
2:20 p.m.
Liberal
Steve Mahoney Liberal Mississauga West, ON
Madam Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 26, I move:
That the House continue to sit beyond the ordinary hour of daily adjournment for the purpose of considering the motion of the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons respecting proceedings in the Standing Committee on Finance with regard to Standing Order 83.1.