Madam Speaker, this is the difference. I gave some of the quotes. Unless the Reformers are prepared to stand up and denounce Bill Vander Zalm as being inaccurate or not portraying the truth in this matter, when we look at some of the things that he says, he is not putting it in a truthful way. He pretends that it is a $487 million payout plus 2,000 square kilometres of land when the truth is that it is half and half. It is $487 million including the 2,000 square kilometres of land. Something can be twisted around.
I say to Mr. Vander Zalm, I say it to the members of the Reform Party here, and more important, I say it to Canadians, look at the truth of this agreement. It is absolutely unprecedented. It is fair. It gives the Nisga'a people a chance to build on their heritage and to create something for their families in the future.
We are not hearing the facts put out by these—