Mr. Speaker, the hon. member who just spoke is part of a political party that will go down in history as one that always went around major constitutional conferences to find a solution with long knives. Thus I do not need him to give me any lessons.
With regard to Mr. Clark, the hon. member should come to Quebec to see how well Mr. Clark is, a priori, appreciated and respected by Quebecers. This morning the newspapers were saying that Mr. Clark is consistent. So, on that score, the Liberals have nothing to say to us.
There are many parties in the House that are flip-flopping. First, there is the government party that is flip-flopping on the issue, to an unbelievable extent. It was against the Meech Lake accord, against the Charlottetown accord. It centralizes everything in the Prime Minister's office. It gives nothing to the provinces. And now it has decided to deal with national unity. Reform flip-flops. The NDP members are also flip-flopping. It is unfortunate, but I must say that we are the only federalist party which still believes in Canada and which is against this bill.
It is not easy for Mr. Clark. However, if they think that Mr. Clark is a winning condition for sovereigntists, they are wrong because he is a winning condition for the country, including Quebecers. When the time comes, Quebecers will decide what their future will be. Once they decide to vote for the Progressive Conservative Party, they will do it. It is as simple as that, and we have no lesson to learn form them, particularly from the Liberal Party. The Right Hon. Joe Clark is taking a stand, and it is not easy because he is faced with quite a problem.
In fact, everybody agrees on certain elements of the secession process. By the way, we use words like secession, sovereignty, independence, sovereign country interchangeably. Secession is a process; the result is sovereignty or independence. If Mr. Clark, the Right Hon. Joe Clark, comes to power, unlike the present Prime Minister, who feeds on the sovereignty movement, he will put a stop to that, he will find a way to co-operate in a completely different way and as fast as possible, I hope. I think it is high time we stopped working ourselves into a state over all this.