Mr. Speaker, in other words, he is saying that he is paying interest on a debt, but he keeps the debt a secret.
This is the era of the Internet; we have a virtual fund, virtual surpluses. The Minister of Human Resources Development tells us there is no longer a surplus. The Minister of Finance tells us he is borrowing on the surplus. It is Alice in Wonderland.
What will the Minister of Finance do if there is a recession? Will he increase premiums? Will he cut benefits? Will he go back to a deficit situation? There is no longer a fund. Where will he get his money if there is no longer a surplus?