Mr. Speaker, the fact is that we cannot have it both ways. Mike Harris is saying, “We've spent $1.5 billion more on health care than we did back in 1995”. That is what he is saying to the public.
However, $750 million of that was severance costs for nurses. I think he had to spend the same amount again to get them back. That is not delivering health care.
The reason that I say we cannot have it both ways is that if the member is standing in the House saying that waiting lists are up, health care is down, health care is awful because we have had these awful cuts from the federal government and yet the province of Ontario delivered $1.5 billion more in spending, how do we rationalize that we spent more but got less service? It has to do with the provincial administration of health care.