Debates of May 13th, 1999

Public Sector Pension Investment Board Act

[The Deputy Speaker]

All those in favour will please say yea.

[Some hon. members]

Yea.

[The Deputy Speaker]

All those opposed will please say nay.

[Some hon. members]

Nay.

[The Deputy Speaker]

In my opinion the nays have it.

And more than five members having risen:

[The Deputy Speaker]

The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.

The deferred vote will also apply to motions Nos. 46 and 54.

We will now proceed to the motions in Group No. 4.

The mover for Motion No. 33 is not present. I will hold that one in case the mover should happen to arrive before I finish putting the question on the other three.

[Pat Martin, NDP, Winnipeg Centre, MB]

moved:

Motion No. 34

That Bill C-78, in Clause 95, be amended by deleting lines 20 to 44 on page 75 and lines 1 to 18 on page 76.

[The Deputy Speaker]

Again the mover for Motion No. 35 is not here.

[Pat Martin, NDP, Winnipeg Centre, MB]

moved:

Motion No. 36

That Bill C-78, in Clause 96, be amended by replacing lines 30 to 47 on page 79 and lines 1 to 28 on page 81 with the following:

“44.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors.”

[Ken Epp, Reform, Elk Island, AB]

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wonder if you could seek unanimous consent to have those motions that have been placed by the member for St. Albert in my name.

[The Deputy Speaker]

Is there unanimous consent that the hon. member for Elk Island move the motions standing in the name of the hon. member for St. Albert?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[An hon. member]

No.

[Claude Bachand, Bloc, Saint-Jean, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 37

That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 28 on page 81 the following new clause:

“96.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modifications as the circumstances require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 45.”

Motion No. 41

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 151.

[Pat Martin, NDP, Winnipeg Centre, MB]

moved:

Motion No. 42

That Bill C-78, in Clause 151, be amended by deleting lines 31 to 48 on page 129 and lines 1 to 27 on page 130.

Motion No. 44

That Bill C-78, in Clause 152, be amended by replacing lines 16 to 45 on page 134 and lines 1 to 11 on page 136 with the following:

“55.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors.”

[Claude Bachand, Bloc, Saint-Jean, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 45

That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 19 on page 136 the following new clause:

“152.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modification as the circumstance require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 56.”

Motion No. 49

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 198.

[Pat Martin, NDP, Winnipeg Centre, MB]

moved:

Motion No. 50

That Bill C-78, in Clause 198, be amended by deleting lines 39 to 46 on page 180 and lines 1 to 38 on page 181.

Motion No. 52

That Bill C-78, in Clause 199, be amended by replacing lines 18 to 46 on page 185 and lines 1 to 17 on page 187 with the following:

“29.4 If, following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial valuation report pursuant to section 45 that relates to the state of the Public Service Pension Fund there is, in the Minister's opinion, a surplus in that Fund, the Minister shall use the surplus to improve the benefits of the pensioners who are members of the plan or their survivors.”

[Ken Epp, Reform, Elk Island, AB]

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe there has now been some consultation and I would again ask for unanimous consent that the motions moved in the name of the member for St. Albert be put in my name.

[The Deputy Speaker]

Is there unanimous consent that we proceed in this fashion?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[The Deputy Speaker]

We will finish this motion first.

[Claude Bachand, Bloc, Saint-Jean, QC]

moved:

Motion No. 53

That Bill C-78 be amended by adding after line 25 on page 187 the following new clause:

“199.1 Despite any other provision in this Act, subsection 9(9) and section 16 of the Pension Benefits Standards Regulations, 1985 shall, with such modification as the circumstance require, apply to a surplus in respect of a pension plan to which Act applies that is identified following the laying before Parliament of an actuarial validation report pursuant to section 30.”

[Ken Epp, Reform, for Mr. John Williams]

moved:

Motion No. 33

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 95.

Motion No. 35

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 96.

Motion No. 43

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 152.

Motion No. 51

That Bill C-78 be amended by deleting Clause 199.

[The Deputy Speaker]

That completes the list of motions in Group No. 4.

[Ken Epp, Reform, Elk Island, AB]

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I may need correction, but I have checked in today's order paper and there were several motions put by the member for St. Albert that you did not refer to, namely motions—