Mr. Speaker, what a nonsensical question. Over $13 billion are being spent by the government in grants and contributions. We have not said that we should cut a nickel of that, although a lot of people would. In addition to the $13 billion the government put another $1.5 billion into these grants programs in spite of its shocking track record of mismanagement.
We are saying that it should not put one more nickel into grants and contributions, but that money should be put into health care. The sick people of Canada are crying for support from the government, and instead the government has money for all the boondoggles and all the mismanagement of the past. It can increase that money but for health care there is only a pittance. We are saying the money that would have topped up grants and contributions should go into health care.
The member has the nerve to say that this money creates jobs. How does he know? Records have not been kept. In fact the government audits indicate that the job forecasts are not reliable because information is not available on which to rely. I ask the member not to mislead Canadian people by pretending this money has created jobs when the government's own audit says that job creation forecasts are not believable.