Madam Speaker, the point I was making before my friend started to challenge the ruling of the Speaker was that this is a situation where the government has done everything that it can to ensure that the rules that govern committees favour the government. There is no question about that.
I have already recounted what has happened to my colleague. He admits that he violated the rules and, out of frustration, went to the lengths that he did, and that is absolutely relevant. It also points to the problem in general of a mouthing of a commitment to democracy in this place, but when it gets down to brass tacks as to whether we are really a democratic institution, I think the answer is no. We are not nearly the democratic institution that we could be, and there are so many examples of that. I am sure I could give a long list of examples but I do not want to scare people.
I want people to consider what happens when we select committee chairs in the first place. The opposition comes in, the government members come in and not far behind them is the whip. The whip sits there—