Mr. Speaker, I listen to the minister. She tells us that all of the department's senior officials discussed the problem. Her staff discussed it. E-mails were sent. Officials from the various regions of Canada met to discuss it, but she was not aware.
I imagine that, when she joined the department, they said “Not a word, here comes the minister. She must not know”.
Does she think we really believe her? Is she credible? Who besides her believes her?