Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member ever becomes a minister he will have to learn not to say that the surpluses are fictitious, because his minister always said the contrary.
What the hon. member just said confirms our view. The money was taken. It no longer exists. If there were a major recession right now, we would not be able to deal with all those who would lose their jobs.
Will the parliamentary secretary recognize that? Would it not have been wiser to capitalize the money from the employment insurance fund instead of using it, instead of grabbing it with both hands?