Mr. Speaker, this is more and more interesting. I hope I will continue to get answers from the hon. member.
If the government stubbornly refuses to set up an independent employment insurance fund, it is because, as was just confirmed to us, the surpluses are put into the consolidated fund and are used to pay the government's debt?
Does the minister not realize that making the unemployed pay for its debt is one of the darkest initiatives of this government?