House of Commons Hansard #29 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was quebec.

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Business Of The House

10:05 a.m.

Glengarry—Prescott—Russell Ontario

Liberal

Don Boudria LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find unanimous consent for the following motion that I intend to offer to the House and to have adopted. I move, seconded by the hon. member for Calgary Southwest:

That, when Orders of the Day are reached on Wednesday, March 21, 2001, the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons shall propose the following motion:

That a special committee of the House be appointed to consider and make recommendations on the modernization and improvement of the procedures of the House of Commons;

That the members of the committee shall be the Deputy Speaker and the House Leaders of each of the officially recognized parties, provided that substitutions may be made from time to time, if required, in the manner provided for in Standing Order 114(2);

That, notwithstanding any Standing Order, the Chair of the committee shall be the Deputy Speaker and the Vice-Chairs shall be Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and the House Leader of the Official Opposition;

That the committee shall have all of the powers granted to Standing Committees in Standing Order 108;

That the committee shall not adopt any report without the unanimous agreement of all the Members of the committee;

That the committee may recommend to the House texts of new or amended Standing Orders;

That the committee may make recommendations for changes to relevant statutes and, if it does so, such recommendations shall be deemed to have been made pursuant to an Order adopted pursuant to Standing Order 68(4);

That the committee shall present its final report no later than Friday, June 1, 2001.

That the motion shall be disposed of in the following manner:

(1) After a representative of each recognized party has spoken, no Member may speak for more than ten minutes, with a five minute period for questions and comments;

(2) No proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38 shall be taken up and the House shall continue to sit after the ordinary time of daily adjournment to consider the motion, provided that, after 6.30 p.m., the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any motion;

(3) No amendment to the motion shall be permitted;

(4) When no Member rises to speak, the motion shall be deemed to have been adopted and the House shall adjourn to the next sitting day; and

(5) That the debate on the motion shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of Standing Order 51.

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The Speaker

The House has heard the terms of the motion proposed by the government House leader. Does the hon. government House leader have unanimous consent of the House to propose the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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The Speaker

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

(Motion agreed to)

Government Response To PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Scarborough—Rouge River Ontario

Liberal

Derek Lee LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to four petitions.

Charities Registration (Security Information) ActRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Cardigan P.E.I.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay LiberalSolicitor General of Canada

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-16, an act respecting the registration of charities and security information and to amend the Income Tax Act.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

Budget Implementation Act, 1997 And Financial Administration ActRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Elinor Caplan Liberalfor Minister of Finance

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-17, an act to amend the Budget Implementation Act, 1997 and the Financial Administration Act.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements ActRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Thornhill Ontario

Liberal

Elinor Caplan Liberalfor the Minister of Finance

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-18, an act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

Criminal CodeRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Stan Dromisky Liberal Thunder Bay—Atikokan, ON

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-300, an act to amend the Criminal Code (wearing of war decorations).

Mr. Speaker, it is a great pleasure to present the bill. It has taken four years of development. The process was very lengthy because of the involvement of a great number of players at various levels, from the highest level to the community level, in composing, rectifying and making the necessary changes to the bill.

It is a bill insofar as intent is concerned is very similar to one that was presented earlier this week in the House. However the legislative legal clerks of the House of Commons have indicated that the bill I am presenting is far more comprehensive and all encompassing and has some very unique characteristics. Therefore I am presenting it today.

The purpose of this enactment is to allow relatives of deceased or incapacitated veterans to wear on Remembrance Day at a public function or ceremony commemorating veterans, or in a circumstance prescribed by cabinet, any order, decoration or medal listed in the Canadian orders, declaration and medals directive of October 25, 1990, that is awarded to such veterans for war services, without facing criminal sanctions.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Stan Dromisky Liberal Thunder Bay—Atikokan, ON

Mr. Speaker, once again I rise in the House of Commons, as I have many times in the past seven and a half years, to present a petition pertaining to the restoration of VIA service from Toronto through to Sudbury along the beautiful north shores of Lake Superior, through Thunder Bay, Kenora and Dryden, and on to Winnipeg on the CPR line. Those communities where the vast majority of people in northwestern Ontario live do not have railway passenger service.

Today I am presenting hundreds and hundreds of signatures from a variety of communities along the north shore of Lake Superior, as well as Thunder Bay. They are asking the Canadian government to work in a co-operative spirit with VIA and CPR to reintroduce passenger service along that line as quickly as possible.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

Stan Dromisky Liberal Thunder Bay—Atikokan, ON

Mr. Speaker, my next petition pertains to the development of a free standing unique medical school in northwestern Ontario.

I have the signatures of petitioners from a multitude of communities in northwestern Ontario who are asking the Canadian government, through Health Canada, the Ministry of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and other ministries and agencies as parliament shall direct, to provide adequate funding and support to create a northern rural medical school in the centre of Canada.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Rose-Marie Ur Liberal Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36 I wish to present two petitions.

The first petition is on behalf of citizens in Sudbury, Val-Caron, Guelph and Kitchener. They call upon parliament to protect rural route mail couriers and allow them to have collective bargaining rights.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Rose-Marie Ur Liberal Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON

Mr. Speaker, the second petition is on behalf of citizens of the town of Wallaceburg in the riding of Lambton—Kent—Middlesex. They call upon parliament to extend all protection to the unborn child by amending the criminal code to respect the sanctity of human life.

PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Paul Steckle Liberal Huron—Bruce, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36 I have before me a petition put forward by petitioners from the Timmins area.

They allege that rural mail couriers often earn less than minimum wage and have working conditions reminiscent of another era. They also allege that our RRMCs have not been allowed to bargain collectively to improve their wages and working conditions like all other workers. They also allege that subsection 13(5) of the Canada Post Corporation Act prohibits RRMCs from having collective bargaining rights.

They are petitioning the Parliament of Canada to repeal subsection 13(5) of the Canada Post Corporation Act.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

March 15th, 2001 / 10:15 a.m.

Scarborough—Rouge River Ontario

Liberal

Derek Lee LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand.

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)

Is that agreed?

Questions On The Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

moved:

That this House support the government's will in its efforts to restore free trade agreement rules for lumber and inform the United States that it rejects any obstacle to that free trade process.

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10:15 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-De- Beaupré—Île-D'Orléans, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wish to inform you that throughout the day Bloc Quebecois members will split their allotted time of 20 minutes into two 10 minute periods.

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10:15 a.m.

Scarborough—Rouge River Ontario

Liberal

Derek Lee LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, in connection with today's debate I think you would find consent for the following motion. I move:

That at the conclusion of the present debate on today's Opposition Motion, all questions necessary to dispose of this motion be deemed put, a recorded division deemed requested and deferred to the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on Tuesday, March 20, 2001.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

(Motion agreed to)

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Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is a great honour to move a motion in the House today calling on it to take a stand in the dispute over lumber between the industries in Canada and The United States

The motion reads:

That this House support the government's will in its efforts to restore free trade agreement rules for lumber and inform the United States that it rejects any obstacle to that free trade process.

In bringing forward this motion through me, the Bloc Quebecois is once again acting as the defender of the rights of Quebec. However, in the case of lumber, and in this rare instance, it is clear that the interests of Quebec and of Canada converge, as we face our American partners.

On April 1, at the end of the current agreement, free trade in this sector must be reinstated. Part of the U.S. lumber industry must stop its harassment of the lumber industry in Quebec and Canada.

In Canada, some 130,000 jobs are linked to the lumber industry. In Quebec, the figure is over 30,000. Quebec is the second largest producer of lumber in Canada, with 25.5% of production.

Quebec produces approximately 7 billion board feet annually. The industry injects over $4 billion a year into the Quebec economy.

The lumber industry is found in various regions of Quebec Over 250 Quebec municipalities have sprung up around wood processing. In some of these municipalities, all of the jobs are related to this industry.

My colleagues will have an opportunity today to speak of this industry's importance to the development of jobs and the economy in their riding.

The U.S. market is a major outlet, as 51.4% of Quebec exports go to the United States, while 47.6% of U.S. products are exported to Canada.

The value of Quebec exports to the United States is about $2 billion annually, while the total value of Canadian lumber exports to the United States is $10 to $11 billion annually.

This clearly illustrates how important this industry is and how important it is to revert to a normal free trade situation with the Americans, as provided for in the North American free trade agreement.

Members certainly know that the U.S. industry, or a part of the U.S. lumber industry, has long been complaining about competition from the Canadian industry. The dispute has been going on for almost 20 years. In fact, we have to go back to 1982 to see the first forms of harassment by the U.S. industry.

Every time complaints have been filed, Canadian and Quebec producers have been able to demonstrate that there were no subsidies in Canada and any of the Canadian provinces, and that their trade practices were fully in accordance with the agreements with our American neighbours and with multilateral agreements.

I am convinced that once again the Canadian industry will be able to demonstrate that it is not subsidized, that the logging price is established according to market rules and that there is dumping whatsoever. We should not delude ourselves. The 1996 Canada-U.S.A. softwood lumber agreement had no foundation as far as trade practices are concerned.

Quebec producers paid a countervailing duty of 6.51%, yet they were not subsidized. Quebec exporters who are not subsidized bore the cost of quotas, yet they should have been exempted. All in all, duties of more than 16% were unjustly collected.

I think we realize today that we would be better off appealing to various tribunals than making a deal that needlessly puts Canada and Quebec at a disadvantage, particularly since the World Trade Organization now has rules.

On September 11, for example, Canadian and Quebec lumber producers won another battle, when the World Trade Organization accepted Canada's request to create a select panel to examine the legality of the U.S. position on the countervailing duty issue.

In this House we all know that for the U.S. industry subsidies and the Canadian industry are not the problem. The problem is that the U.S. industry has not invested much to renew its technology and organizational practices, while the Canadian industry generally made major investments. This is the only reason the U.S. industry is less competitive than the Canadian industry.

The consensus in the Canadian industry is that we should simply return to free trade for lumber. The industry expects, and rightly so, that the Canadian government will support it in this regard. The Bloc Quebecois has tried repeatedly to ensure that the federal government is supporting this consensus.

I must say that at times we have felt the Minister for International Trade was being soft. On February 22, during the same question period, the minister spoke twice about a transition toward free trade. I remind the House that this was on February 22. To a question from the Canadian Alliance, the minister replied:

Now the matter is how we will live the transition toward free trade.

On the same day the minister answered the following to a question from the Bloc Quebecois:

—that we will have a smooth transition to free trade.

If there is talk of a transition, I think we can reasonably assume that there will be some transitional measures, something both our party and the industry oppose.

The following day, on February 23, the parliamentary secretary talked about returning to free trade in the long term. The Bloc Quebecois asked a question and this is what he said:

The long range goal of Canada is very clear in softwood lumber. It is to have free trade in softwood lumber with the United States.

When they start talking about transitional measures and about a long range goal, I think there is reason for concern about the firmness of the government's position on returning to pure and simple free trade in softwood lumber.

I believe that the statement made yesterday by the Prime Minister in response to a question from the Bloc Quebecois has clarified, definitively I hope, the position of the federal government:

[—]we have a free trade agreement and we want the Americans to comply with it as regards lumber.

I believe it is time now for all members of all parties in the House to speak out, not only in support of the position of the government, the Prime Minister and the industry, but also to let the Americans know that we will not allow ourselves to be intimidated by the harassment of one part of the lumber industry.

The necessity for MPs to speak out in this House is all the greater since the announcement a few days ago by U.S. Senators and members of the house of representatives of their support for the portion of their lumber industry that is continuing to harass the Canadian industry.

I am therefore calling upon all members of all parties to join forces with the industry by adopting the motion I am introducing this morning.

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10:25 a.m.

Canadian Alliance

Dick Harris Canadian Alliance Prince George—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Speaker, I want to start off by saying that I agree 100% with what the member from the Bloc said, except, of course, in his references to Canada and Quebec. The last time I looked, Quebec was still part of Canada. We welcome it to stay, by the way.

The western producers, particularly in the provinces of B.C. and Alberta which is my domain, because of quota restrictions to small and medium sized mills, were able to cut far more than their quota would allow. The end result, because of the extra wood, was they had to basically sell at a bargain basement price to domestic users.

Could the member tell me what it was like in the province of Quebec with the domestic mills? Did they have a surplus of wood which they had to dump on their own domestic market, thus driving the price of lumber down? Was it the same situation there as it was out in B.C.?