Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Joliette for his excellent question.
I am simply flabbergasted by this refusal to admit the obvious. They do not want to recognize the facts, the figures, the real situation we are in, in order to avoid all debate on the issue.
If this debate takes place, if we examine the situation with regard to health care and the fiscal situation throughout Canada, we will realize that the main cause of the sorry state of health care in Canada is this government. We will realize that it is responsible for this mess we are in today, something it refuses to admit. That is why the finance minister and his colleague, the intergovernmental affairs minister, refuse to admit the truth and the obvious.