Mr. Speaker, again, I hope it is not true that the hon. member never got to travel on a Challenger jet in his time in parliament because many of his colleagues did, and they know very well that this is not a question of luxury. It is frequently a question of convenience. It is often possible to get to places one otherwise cannot get to.
The hon. member does know that not only was the process respected, but also the outcome of this is that Canadian ministers are able to travel non-stop to Europe. They can land in places in Canada that the previous planes could not and they are the best Canadian--