Mr. Chair, I thank the hon. member. I would like to clarify one small point. We are not alarmists, but we must be realists. The program concludes in 2005.
So, yes, we are renegotiating to have it renewed and it is not me who is being alarmist; it is the community that depends on this program and wants to see it renewed, in the first place.
In the second place, when I am asked if the money went to creators, I can reply that all the money has gone to the creators, and I can tell you why. For all the programs the average administrative cost is 11%, which is very effective.
As for Cultural Spaces Canada, these are spaces where the creators and artists are able to perform. We spent $75 million. In Arts Presentation Canada, there are three components: project support, programming support and development support.On this program we spent $35,222,000. On the National Arts Training Contribution Program—these numbers have all been verified—we spent $40,283,000. All of it goes to the creators.