House of Commons Hansard #25 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was competition.

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8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Mr. Chair, first let me congratulate the hon. member for his presence in the House and also for his contribution to Canadian sport through the development of the recognition of mountain biking and broader cycling activities into the Olympic Games, as well as into high performance sport. I think his contribution to this development in Canada is well recognized. It gives me great pleasure to work with him on an issue that is so important to both of us.

The hon. member raises a very good point about the estimates and the $50 million that is shown for this particular item to be reduced in the budget next year. The reason for that appearing in the estimates at this time is that the $50 million was a three year sunsetted program which ends this fiscal year and so the extra $50 million must be restored in next year's budget. I would like to assure the hon. member that I am making representations that this will be continued as a very important support for our sport system in the country.

I would just like to say one other thing in terms of the inspiration that the hon. member has made in his sport's career along with other high performance athletes and reflect on Athens and our Olympic team. I talked a little bit previously about our Paralympic team but the Olympic team had 264 members and 80% of those world champions came in the top eight in the world in the summer Olympics in Athens. This was extraordinary.

I think on a per capita basis there are very few countries in the world that had such a large Olympic team. The funding question that was asked is very important. Funding is essential to ensuring that at the end of the day we have high performance athletes who can perform as world champions, which they are, as I mentioned earlier.

Another indicator of the level of development of a country is the ratio between men and women on their Olympic teams. I am proud to say, although it gives me some misgiving, that there are more women on our Olympic team than men. So, gentlemen, start your engines.

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November 16th, 2004 / 8:25 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chair, I like what I am hearing from the Minister of State for Sport. However, there is something I want to know, so allow me to ask him the following question. Do we have right now in Canada a policy to help our Olympic athletes achieve and maintain their top level of performance? I, for one, have already given up on Turin in 2006; it is already too late for Torino , we can all agree on that.

Let us talk about the 2008 Games, the 2010 Games in Vancouver-Whistler and those in 2012 because that is what we have to focus on. It takes 4 to 12 years to train an athlete to reach a high level.

I want to ask the minister the following: do we currently have a formal policy that will allow us to reach Olympic standards for 2008, 2010 and 2012?

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8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Mr. Chair, the member is absolutely right. It does take six, eight or ten years for an athlete to develop into a worldclass standing and that level of high performance. We do have a long term development strategy, which has been instituted in partnership with the national sports organizations, and it is receiving extra funding.

We are also appointing a Canada sports council of experts to work with us and to work with this long term development program with the national sports organizations to ensure that for each particular sport and for a more generic approach to high performance athletes that we are working together and having the very best advice and best practices identified in the country to work together. That deserves and is receiving funding and attention, as it must.

I had the opportunity three weeks ago to meet with a consortium of high performance institutions and organizations in the country that have presented a plan called “Own the Podium”. It goes forward in the way the hon. member mentioned, to look into the future for six, eight, ten years to ensure that, with respect to the 2010 winter Olympics in Canada, that we will come first in the world. That is their target. They presented a very interesting array of recommendations, which we are considering and we will be responding to soon. Of course it includes extra funding but, more than ever, it includes determination, long term planning, sharing of strategic advice and to ensure that the Coaches Association, the Vancouver Olympic Committee, AthletesCan, SportsCan, all of the groups together with the federal government come together in this long term plan.

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8:30 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chair, I agree with the hon. minister, but I have a serious problem.

Indeed, we will study, analyze, suggest, recommend, but the minister should be reminded that the next generation of Olympic athletes cannot wait for studies. You have the studies.

The hon. minister should know that for the past six years, studies have been carried out in Australia, in New Zealand and in all the Commonwealth countries, on performance and how to reach the highest levels. The minister has received these documents.

What guarantee do we have that the next budget will provide the necessary funds so that our athletes can reach these performance levels?

In closing, I would like an answer, since the minister has not given one, regarding the events, the hosting of events like world cups, world championships and other international events, in order to plan our athletes' quest for gold.

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8:35 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Mr. Chair, I apologize to my hon. friend. He asked a number of questions in his last address and I did not answer the question in terms of the Canadian sport hosting policy.

This fiscal year we are spending $27 million on hosting some 40 international events in this country, multiple sports as well as individual sports, including world championships, which provide the very important opportunities for our developing athletes who may not yet be at the stage where they will be at the Olympics, the Pan American Games or the Commonwealth Games yet need that sharpening of their performance through international competitions. Therefore the international hosting policy of events in Canada is a very important part of our policy.

Let me just say in response to the first question that, yes, the government, in its wisdom, did provide $30 million extra this year to attempt to address the very question that the hon. member raised in terms of developmental and high performance funding. Under this policy, in Whistler, B.C. in 2010 we will come first in the world with a minimum of 35 medals.

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8:35 p.m.

Vancouver Centre B.C.

Liberal

Hedy Fry LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration

Mr. Chair, I want to speak first and foremost very quickly about the Department of Canadian Heritage. This department is basically the soul of our country. It defines our values, history and heritage. Within the department, it is multiculturalism, bilingualism, aboriginal culture and language, sports, arts and culture and women's equality. However, I want to focus tonight on arts and culture.

People talk about the arts and culture of a country as its soul, defining us, telling us who we are not only to ourselves but to the world, speaking, especially in Canada, of our diversity, both regionally and in terms of our people. It speaks to our quality of life. Indeed a Decima 2004 poll told us that Canadians believed that it increased the livability of their communities and improved the quality of their lives.

We know that Richard Florida, who has written many books on the bohemian index, speaks of world-class cities as having a very strong arts and cultural component to them. This is what we are looking at when we talk about arts and culture.

We are also talking about cultural diversity not only in terms of our geography. We have people who have come here from every corner of the world, who define us and tell us about the history of the country, how we have built it, where we are going and who we are. That makes a strong statement to the world about our ability to live together in peaceful coexistence, to tolerate and respect each other.

Those are the warm, real soulful things about arts and culture. I want to talk about what arts and culture do to contribute to the economy of this country. The arts and culture last year brought $28 billion into our GDP and $4.5 billion in exports. It also creates just under 800,000 jobs. Statistics Canada has said that those 800,000 jobs created by arts and culture are equal to jobs in agriculture, fishing, mining, oil and gas and utilities combined. We are talking about a huge economic boon to our country in terms of arts and culture.

That does not even include the spinoff in cultural tourism. It is now projected that cultural tourism will grow globally by 15% to the year 2010. In a two year period in Canada, it was estimated that of the 808 million people who came to Canada as tourists, each one of them had at least four cultural or heritage experiences. People come to Canada and pay to see the things we have. With our cultural diversity, I think we can safely say, “Come to Canada and see the world”. We know that aboriginal culture and tourism brought in about $450 million in 2002, employing over 30,000 people.

I want to highlight the economic boon that the arts and cultural industries are to Canada. Then I want to turn to things like music, our place in the world. Factor is a program within Heritage Canada that gives about $8 million to the music industry. It has contributed 60% of the professional Canadian recording artists, 49% of which have been Juno award nominees, groups like Choclair, Nickelback, Blue Rodeo and of course Sara McLaughlin and Alanis Morissette who are known around the world as Canada's world international divas.

These five groups, including Alanis Morissette and Sara McLaughlin, alone have sold 84 million records worldwide, which is a value of $2 billion. We are talking about five groups. We have earned a reputation around the world as having the divas of singers and having a hugely important music industry.

Let us talk about film. Our films tend to win awards at Cannes. They tend to win awards around the world. Let us talk about books in terms of the publishing component of the arts and culture. Authors like Pico Lyer, Rohinton Mistry, Michael Ondaatje, Jane Urquhart got their start in Heritage Canada. Not only that, when people walk around the major airports in the world, they see these authors and one feels proud to be a Canadian because they have earned international stature.

I want to talk also about the fact that healthy and creative communities come out of arts and culture. We talk about community and civic engagement. In 2000, 50 million people volunteered in the arts and cultural industries. We talk about academic assistance for youth at risk. Young people who begin to learn about and become involved in arts and culture do better in math. They tend to have an increased socialization, increased social development, increased self-esteem and increased interpersonal skills. These are things that are really documented.

We now know that most Canadians think that 92% of Canadian artists, and I use the word broadly written, can hold their own in the world stage. These Canadian artists and our own sense of arts and culture have told the world that we are a country that fosters respect, tolerance and inclusion, in terms of our cultural diversity.

In summary, the arts and culture is not just a warm fuzzy and it is not only about creativity, but it is about social inclusion. It is about defining our values, our creativity, our history and our heritage. It is about creating a strong domestic economy that makes us competitive worldwide. It is about looking at the issue of tourism, and the cultural tourism is a growing industry. It is about looking at the creativity and excellence, helping our young people to develop strong, healthy psyches. It is about the well-being of Canada.

This is probably one of the most important departments. Creating cities, building world-class institutions, putting our face to the world, creating a burgeoning economy, a very broad economy that reaches across all sectors are hugely important things.

As a result of all that, and knowing how important arts and culture is to Canada, I would like to ask the minister this. Given the importance of the arts, what is the federal government doing to ensure that they are receiving the funding they deserve and that programs, like Tomorrow Starts Today, will be refunded and will carry on to continue to build cultural spaces and foster this hugely important economic and social program within Canada?

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8:45 p.m.

Parkdale—High Park Ontario

Liberal

Sarmite Bulte LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage

Mr. Chair, first, it is a hard act to follow my colleague, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. However, many may well know that I had the opportunity to work with her when she was the secretary of state for multiculturalism and the status of women. Therefore, I know that she knows this department intimately. When she said that she wanted to talk about how important the department was, I only have until 10:30 tonight, so we have to cut our comments short.

I concur with everything she has said. However, sometimes I think a lot of us forget. We talk about how important the arts are in terms of defining who we are. We talk about how important the arts are in terms of our communities. When my hon. colleague asks what our commitment is, just look at the Speech from the Throne. We talked about the arts being the essence of our communities. It is the cultural soul of our communities. It is what builds our communities.

There is also another thing that we sometimes forget when we dispose of or think that the arts are fluffy.

I had an opportunity to travel with the Governor General and artists to Chile many years ago. We met artists from Chile. We travelled with Émile Martel, who was the head of P.E.N. Many may recognize the Martel name as Yann Martel who won the prestigious Booker Prize; a Canadian artist winning the Booker Prize.

I talked with President Lagos and with people of Chile. I heard how important the arts were and how they had missed it at the time that Pinochet was there. What is the first thing countries do when totalitarian governments take over? They throw out their artists. Why? Because the arts are an essential element of democracy, and that is why it is important.

I want to pick up on some specific things about which my hon. colleague spoke. She talked about Factor. I know that the hon. opposition critic talked about Tomorrow Starts Today and Factor is a part of the Canadian music fund which is part of Tomorrow Starts Today. When she talked about the people who define who we are, let us not forget about Diana Krall. It is not just the pop stars. That fund has helped to create our artists today.

I am sure many of the members know that Factor saved Canadian music. I know that this minister and this government are committed to saving Canadian music.

When we talk about Tomorrow Starts Today--

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8:45 p.m.

Conservative

James Rajotte Conservative Edmonton—Leduc, AB

That is not what the artists are saying, Sam.

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8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Sarmite Bulte Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

The hon. critic across the way is saying that is not what the artists are saying. It is a funny thing, when the Prime Minister appointed me the parliamentary secretary in conjunction with the department, I started consultations in my city of Toronto. I met with Heather Ostertag. Do members know who she is? She would be the head of Factor . It is a funny thing how I know that.

I have so many artists in my riding. Do members know who Jane Bunnett is? An award winning jazz artist in my riding. Those are the people who have benefited from this. They have talked to us and they want that program.

The members on this side of the House in this caucus have made presentations to the Prime Minister that we want Tomorrow Starts Today renewed. It is the members on this side who will make it happen. It is the opposition saying, “You're fearmongering”. No, we are not fearmongering, but we make sure that the taxpayer moneys we invest are transparent, accountable and yield results. When we need new programs, we will do so to show that not only the results are there from an economic, transparent and accountable point of view, but also to show that they yield the benefits of defining who we are.

We have heard the minister of sport speak tonight about the importance of sport and how proud we are of the Olympians.

Peter Herrndorf, who is the executive director of the National Arts Centre, wrote an article at that time to the paper when we were also talking about the Olympics. He said it was a funny thing that every once in a while or every few years we get a big lump in our throats by being so excited about our athletes. We cry when the flag is raised, but it is really our artists who define us every day.

Ask people who were in Greece to even name one of our politicians. They may know our Prime Minister, but they may not know very much more about us. They may recognize our flag, but if we ask them what they know about being Canadian, it is about our musicians. It is about the music that we hear every day on the radio, part of our everyday lives. It is about the authors, people such as Yann Martel, Margaret Atwood, and Alice Munro, who actually just won the Giller Prize last week. Those are the people who define those things.

Those people have been able to plant seeds here in Canada and define who we are, both at home and internationally. When we talk about Tomorrow Starts Today, we forget that it was this government that provided the largest reinvestment in the arts in 2001 after 40 years. We have to be proud of that.

Is there more to do? Absolutely. Tomorrow Starts Today is just the beginning. Tomorrow Starts Today provided additional moneys for the Canada Council, something my friend talked about. Tomorrow Starts Today provided specific funding for cultural spaces. What will cultural spaces mean? It means spaces in every community, not just theatres and libraries but all sorts of things that build healthy communities, that let people get out on the street. These communities are prosperous communities and prosperous communities are safe communities, and they are usually also full of culture and excitement. Is there much to do? Absolutely.

I will tell members one thing that this government and this side of the House knows, the arts are not corporate welfare. They are the most important thing that define Canadians as Canadian.

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8:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, I will be splitting my time with the member for Calgary Centre-North and the member for St. John's South—Mount Pearl.

I will only be asking questions. The minister of course would recognize this document that we worked on together. Does she still agree with the recommendations that were made in this document that she co-authored?

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8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, we have indeed worked together. I would remind the honourable member that in those days, the Alliance had also prepared its own version of the review of the Broadcasting Act. So it is unfortunately a dissenting report. It would have been nice to have a unanimous report.

This being said, the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage put the report back on the table. We have 150 days to respond. Members will remember that the report was presented to the Committee on Canadian Heritage while I was there. Before the election, the then minister had submitted a short version--

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8:50 p.m.

The Chair

I am sorry to interrupt the honourable Minister of Canadian Heritage, but she will understand that it has been decided that she would be allowed the same time to answer that the speaker had taken to ask the question. Thank you Madam Minister.

The honourable member for Kootenay—Columbia.

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8:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, in recommendation 6.3 the committee recommended that the CBC deliver a strategic plan with an estimated resource requirement to Parliament within one year of tabling of this report on how this would fulfill its public mandate. The report was tabled in June 2003. This is November 2004. Where is the report?

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8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I find it a bit ironic that the member will be studying the recommendations one by one when, at the time, he was opposed, although it was always a pleasure to work with him.

That being said, members will remember that there has first been a response to the committee's report. Then we went into the election. The report has been tabled and we will respond to it.

I will also say at this point that I will come back to it.

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8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, the minister would know, at least she should know, that there were some sections of the report that I objected to. This was not one of them. We want the CBC to be accountable.

Recommendation 8.5 referred to part II licensing fees being eliminated or reduced. It is noteworthy that in February 2004 the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations had all party support that the part II fees should be eliminated. Why has the department not done something about part II fees since February 2004?

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8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, I also have to say that during the electoral campaign, the Conservatives talk about privitazing Radio-Canada and the CBC. I find a bit ironic that they are now asking us to be accountable for the crown corporation.

That being said, on part II, I shall invoke my right not to comment since we all know that this is before the courts. It is thus difficult for me to comment on this. I am being given the signal to remain silent, just to be cautious.

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8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, on November 10, 2004, the minister is quoted in Le Devoir as saying that cutting public support to museums across Canada is easier than cutting funds to broadcasters. I wonder why she says we must act now because our cultural heritage is disappearing, and yet she seems to have given up according to that report that we have. Given the Auditor General's call for immediate action, how could the minister be so willing to cut support to museums?

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8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, let me repeat what I stated a while back, which is that it is a part of the reallocation process. Last week, furthermore, on the occasion of a speech, I was asked if, under that reallocation, there would be cuts affecting artists and producers, more broadly those who currently benefit from programs to create, and I said no.

When I talked about museums, I was talking first about national museums and, second, about the 5% we request in the area of administration. I was referring only to our large national museums, in the area of administration.

That being said, on this side of the Chamber, we are--

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8:55 p.m.

The Deputy Chair

The hon. member for Kootenay—Columbia has the floor.

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8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, I did not quite understand the minister's answer. I asked, why is she so willing to talk about cuts to museums? I understand she has many things in her envelope, but why is she so willing to talk about cuts to museums? They are our heritage.

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8:55 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Speaker, I fully agree. Museums are an important part of our heritage.

When we talk about a reallocation exercise, large institutions—I am not talking about the 2,500 museums—have been asked to ascertain whether it was possible, from an administrative point of view, to manage themselves effectively without touching collections or programming. This is what was meant, particularly since those large museums enjoy huge resources in terms of operations. This is a question our institutions are facing.

If the answer is no, well, then, we will deal with it.

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9 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Abbott Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Mr. Chair, through the Tomorrow Starts Today initiative, the government created incentives to the private sector to donate to the endowments of arts organizations. It is part of the arts and heritage sustainability program. Raising capital and creating endowments give these organizations a greater capacity for their mandates by supporting their long term stability. It also invites active involvement from the private sector in the cultural affairs of the community, which is exactly what is needed for the museum sector.

However, Canadian museums, that are working hard to attract both public and private sector support, are not included in the program. Could the minister comment on why museums should be ineligible for this program?

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9 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Speaker, the member is absolutely right. Talking about endowment funds, I have to say that we offer matching funds in Tomorrow Starts Today. In addition, in other programs, we have endowment funds in order to establish a long-term fund to ensure that cultural bodies can have different cash flows.

For museums, it is completely different. In that regard, there are tax incentives for those who offer collections, for instance. Those incentives, which are simply of a tax nature, are adapted to museums.

However, in terms of endowment, we have endowment funds for the funding of certain cultural organizations and of cultural expression.

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9 p.m.

Conservative

Jim Prentice Conservative Calgary North Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, the minister has testified tonight that she recognizes the concerns in the Amnesty International report “Stolen Sisters”. That report says that Canadian authorities have failed in their responsibility to protect the rights of indigenous women in Canada. Will the minister apologize to aboriginal women for the government's failure to protect them?

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9 p.m.

Liberal

Liza Frulla Liberal Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chair, this is an issue we have looked into. When we are presented with reports like the ones from Amnesty International, which are serious reports, this gets us thinking. But I have also pointed out that, within the same department, $1 million in assistance was allocated to assist organizations in dealing with violence against aboriginal women.

We are also working with the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development to develop a comprehensive and more permanent plan.

I must say that we have always taken—