Mr. Speaker, I am sorry that the hon. member was not able to follow my line of reasoning, but let me make it a little clearer for him.
By the end of 2001, and he is quite right, it was widely assumed that there had been political interference. What I am talking about is the public accounts committee in 2002 in June looking backwards with prior deputy ministers to ask them when they knew. In 2000 and in early 2001, they were of the opinion that there was no illegal activity, no breach of the Financial Administration Act, and they both said to the public accounts committee that there was no political interference.