Madam Speaker, the hon. member reflected on a lot of issues that I do know about and which I have great concerns about. There is a need for ethical investment.
I will respond to the last question about Canadians who feel they are paying too many taxes. When we include taxes and CPP, I have a hard time with that, quite frankly. When constituents talk about CPP or EI and not getting money back, I always remind them that it is a pension plan or an insurance policy. The money that people pay is deducted off their income taxes, which is a plus right there.
I do not see it in the same way. It is by far the most reasonable pension plan investment we can make. We will not get a pension plan at that cost anywhere. We will not get a privatized plan at that cost and get the kind of benefits we get from CPP. I would like it to be better, but it is not there.
People just a bit older than I had the real challenge of fighting very hard for some of these programs. I had the benefit of all of them. I have said this before. I have had the benefit of a pension plan, health care, maternity benefits, education and support for my children. I have had those benefits and I did not have to fight for them. As a result, Canadians forget how much those things cost. They forget that sometimes, because of this attitude from the reform, alliance and now it is the Conservatives that we are spending all this money and we are not getting anything.
I suggest to each and every Canadians to do what I did. I had three children. They went through 12 years of school. Their health care was provided. We had our roads and all those things. Canadians should break that down into what they would be paying if they were paying a privatized company for those things.
I got my dollar's worth out of my tax dollars and I think all Canadians will. I do not begrudge my taxes because I have benefited from them. I believe most Canadians feel that way. They want to pay their own share. It is when there is abuse of tax dollars that it becomes a problem. When we see some corporations making huge amounts of money and not paying any taxes, that is when it is a problem. However most Canadians do not mind paying their fair share.