Madam Speaker, first, I would like to point out that I will be sharing my time with the hon. member for Jonquière—Alma.
Over the past few years, the Prime Minister transferred $9 billion to the various foundations. Of this, $7.7 billion has yet to be used. It is essential that the Auditor General have access to the accounting data of these various foundations and report on them to this Parliament, which is the trustee of the taxes paid by Canadians and Quebeckers. That is essential.
Through my hon. colleague, the Bloc Québécois introduced Bill C-277, which I supported. Hon. members will understand that we are in favour of this motion. To us, it is the least objectionable solution; of course, our preference would be for the abolition of these foundations, which this government is using as part of its trick to reduce surpluses and hide from parliamentary scrutiny the amounts previously mentioned.
Why do we think that the foundations should be abolished? I will be brief. The foundations are unacceptable for a number of reasons. They are unacceptable because parliamentarians lose control over the mission of the foundations. They are unacceptable because parliamentarians do not know whether these foundations are managed properly in accordance with the various policies of this Parliament. They are also unacceptable because, as I mentioned earlier, they have served too often to hide the budget surpluses of the current government and Chrétien government preceding it.
In addition—and this is an eminently Quebec concern—I think that the role played by foundations is really unacceptable because they have been used too often to trample—and I weigh my words carefully—on the jurisdictions of Quebec and the provinces. For example, there are the Foundation for Innovation, the Millennium Scholarship Foundation, the Health Services Research Foundation, the Canada Health Infoway. If there are areas that are clearly the jurisdiction of the provinces and Quebec, they are health and education. In addition, these foundations are outside the application of the Access to Information Act.
The foundations exist. What do we do? Let us ensure, as parliamentarians, that we know very clearly what is being done with these funds. The very person to exercise this financial control over the foundations is the Auditor General. I want to underscore this because, in a very important opening, the President of Treasury Board acknowledged this morning the importance of Bill C-277, which would give the Auditor General this responsibility. He said that he agreed with referring Bill C-277 to committee for further study.
This is essential because we, as parliamentarians, want to give the Auditor General this mandate so that at least there is some control over the financial operations of the foundations. The Auditor General must have access to the books. I said it before on another occasion. The government regularly states of course that the accounts are audited by experts. That is certainly true, but what do these experts do?
They really audit what I would call the basic accounting of these foundations. In the end, I am quite certain, the external auditors will recommend that the figures are correct according to generally accepted accounting principles. The Auditor General can go much further than that. She can comment on how these funds are managed and whether they are always fully in keeping with the mission of these foundations and the wishes of Parliament.
In her follow-up report of February 15 on the accounting of foundations, the Auditor General made a point that is important for people to know.
On the audit, she mentioned that, overall, progress was unsatisfactory and that the foundations were largely unaccountable. She mentioned that the transfer of funds to these foundations continues to keep public funds—not private but rather public funds—from an effective parliamentary review.
Furthermore, given the importance of the amounts at stake, she was concerned about the lack of proper accounting to Parliament. Ultimately, this is what it comes down to. These amounts were taken from workers and our fellow citizens. And we as parliamentarians are being told that we cannot do a proper examination in order to see how these funds are being spent. This is truly unfortunate.
As I said, we are in agreement. And with Bill C-277, we are going to give the Auditor General the tools she needs to act as auditor or joint auditor for the following organizations: crown corporations; bodies established by acts of Parliament and to which the Government of Canada has paid $1 billion or more over any period of 12 consecutive months; any corporate entity without share capital, to which the Government of Canada paid $1 billion or more, in money or in kind, over any period of 12 consecutive months and in respect of which the Government of Canada has, either directly or through a crown corporation, the right to appoint or nominate a member of the governing body.
The government is doing its best to earn a reputation as an open government, one that promotes transparency and that says, contrary to reality, its estimates are realistic and correct. If the Auditor General is given access to the figures of the various foundations, if she can do her job as guardian of public funds, then she could—we all hope—confirm what the government is saying. However, if this is not the case, she will be able to say so. She will be able to tell all parliamentarians whether the amounts that were—I will not say misappropriated because it is perhaps too strong—but whether the amounts allocated—to put it politely—to the various foundations were spent correctly or not.
It is our job as parliamentarians to be able to reach this conclusion, to have the tools we need to do this and to report back to the public.
Last weekend, I had the pleasure of a meal with my father-in-law, and the first topic of discussion he raised was this: “How is it possible that, with all the money there is in those foundations, you people have not a word to say about it”? I would have loved to defend the foundations, but what could I do as an MP? The only answer I could give was: “Yes, you are right. We have no control over that money. The government does not want us to. It blocks access to the Auditor General, the key instrument.” I added: “Don't worry. We are onto it. I have supported a bill to bring about some concrete control, and we will not give up.”
I am very pleased, as I have already said, with the openness offered to us this morning by the President of the Treasury Board, in order to get the bill referred to committee. It can then be examined in detail and we will be able to get to the bottom of the matter as far as the funding allocated to the various foundations is concerned.
What we are dealing with here is a fundamental principle of democracy: the public must know where and how the taxes the government collects are spent. These taxes are essential to the government's mission, and that is perfectly all right. That mission, however, must be fulfilled properly.
Care needs to be taken to ensure that there are no more incidents like the ones we have witnessed in recent years. I will mention just the one: the sponsorship scandal, that's it. Because of that alone, the Auditor General must ensure that the funds in the foundations are properly spent.