Mr. Speaker, Senator McCarthy over there should get a grip. He is embarrassing Elmer and Karlheinz.
We are not talking about the detention conditions at the Kandahar base but about the conditions after detainees are transferred. We are not blaming the soldiers; we are blaming the government. The Conservative ministers are duty bound to respect international conventions. Their own officials are saying that there is torture, that there are child molesters and pedophiles in the prisons to which the detainees are transferred.
The minister's responsibility and duty is to explain why—