House of Commons Hansard #121 of the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was contracts.

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RCMP ActRoutine Proceedings

10 a.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Conservative

Stockwell Day ConservativeMinister of Public Safety

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to subsection 20(5) of the RCMP Act, it is my pleasure to table, in both official languages, 80 Royal Canadian Mounted Police First Nations Community Policing Service agreements for communities across Canada.

Through these agreements, RCMP members will provide dedicated police services to first nation communities across Canada. These agreements send a clear message that the Government of Canada is committed to making communities safer and working in collaboration with provinces and territories, as well as first nation communities.

Auditor General ActRoutine Proceedings

March 1st, 2007 / 10 a.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Conservative

Stockwell Day ConservativeMinister of Public Safety

Mr. Speaker, I am also pleased to table pursuant to subsection 24(2) of the Auditor General Act, the CSC sustainable development strategy, in both official languages, and the Correctional Service's fourth sustainable development strategy entitled, “Contribute to a just, peaceful and safe Canadian society, respectful of natural resources and ecological capacities”.

Pursuant to subsection 24(2) of the Auditor General Act, it is my pleasure to table, in both official languages, the RCMP's fourth sustainable development strategy entitled, “Safe Homes—Sustainable Communities, 2007-2009”.

Environment and Sustainable DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

10 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the second report of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

In accordance with its order of reference under Standing Order 108(2), the committee has considered a motion calling on the government to bring forward legislation to strengthen the role of the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development and agreed to it on Monday, February 26, 2007.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

10 a.m.

Conservative

Gary Schellenberger Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 16th report related to the Canadian Television Fund by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Procedure and House AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

10 a.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 37th report for the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs concerning decorum in the House.

Canada Labour CodeRoutine Proceedings

10 a.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Liberal Mississauga—Erindale, ON

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-409, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (illness or injury).

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present a bill entitled, “An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (illness or injury)”. The bill would amend the Canada Labour Code to extend from 12 to 52 weeks the period during which an employee may be absent from work due to illness or injury without being dismissed, suspended, laid off, demoted or disciplined by an employer.

Extending this 12 week provision would have a direct impact on those federal employees who are covered under the Canada Labour Code who may fall seriously ill or incur a serious non-work related injury and do not have a benefit package that protects them. This would allow such employees to focus on their recovery with peace of mind knowing that their employment would not be in jeopardy.

I trust that members in the House will see the value of supporting the bill.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

LiteracyPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

Michael Ignatieff Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have a petition to table from my constituents calling upon Parliament to reinstate funding to literacy programs cut by the Conservative government.

The petitioners note the importance of literacy for social and economic development. They emphasize the need to help the 38% of Canadians who have difficulties reading and writing. They also recognize that illiteracy costs Canadian society $10 billion a year and that eliminating illiteracy is a key component to ensuring Canadian competitiveness.

Together with my constituents of Etobicoke—Lakeshore, I call upon the government to reinstate literacy funding and to undertake a national literacy strategy to ensure that all Canadians have the opportunity to acquire the critical life skills of reading and writing.

Age of ConsentPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Leon Benoit Conservative Vegreville—Wainwright, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to present a petition on behalf of people in my constituency. They recognize that it is the responsibility of the government to protect our children from sexual predators and that it must be a top priority of the federal government.

The petitioners believe that Parliament should enact and enforce the Criminal Code to protect the most vulnerable members of our society and they call upon the government assembled in Parliament to take all necessary measures to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16 years of age. I support this petition.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre Saskatchewan

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski ConservativeParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Minister for Democratic Reform

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Peter Milliken

Is that agreed?

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

moved:

That the House denounce the laisser-faire attitude of the government that prevailed in its negotiations with Boeing, regret the fact that Quebec did not get its fair share of the economic spin-offs of this contract given the significance of its aeronautics industry, nearly 60%, and call on the government to provide fair regional distribution of economic spin-offs for all future contracts.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Bloc

Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC

Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions among all parties and I believe you would find unanimous consent for the following motion:

That, at the conclusion of today's debate on the opposition motion in the name of the member for Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, all questions necessary to dispose of the motion be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, March 20, 2007, at the expiry of the time provided for government orders.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Peter Milliken

Does the hon. whip of the Bloc Québécois have the unanimous consent of the House to move this motion?

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Peter Milliken

The House has heard the terms of the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt this motion?

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Peter Milliken

(Motion agreed to)

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:10 a.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Mr. Speaker, you have read the motion. It surprises me that we should have to come to Parliament to ask the government to ensure the fair distribution throughout the aerospace industry of contracts paid for with taxpayer dollars.

I would like to reread the motion:

That the House denounce the laisser-faire attitude of the government that prevailed in its negotiations with Boeing, regret the fact that Quebec did not get its fair share of the economic spin-offs of this contract given the significance of its aeronautics industry, nearly 60%, and call on the government to provide fair regional distribution of economic spin-offs for all future contracts.

Given these investments in the aerospace sector, the Conservative government's laissez-faire attitude will result in Quebec losing 18,500 jobs per year. We all know that with the way the government is now doing things, the best Quebec can hope for is about 30% of the economic spin-offs from these contracts even though Quebec represents nearly 60% of the aerospace industry. If they had simply said that they would take into account the geographic distribution of the aerospace industry in Canada relative to territory, Quebec would be receiving between 55% and 60% of the economic spin-offs.

The Conservative government deliberately chose not to impose those kinds of conditions. Yet the government did decide, for example, to require companies to direct 50% of the spin-offs to the aerospace sector and 50% to other sectors. With respect to the 50% for aerospace, the government even identified nine such sectors in advance.

There was nothing stopping the government from imposing these kinds of conditions, especially since it has the upper hand and can practically hand out contracts without a call for tenders and decide which company gets the contract. It was in an excellent position to ensure that Quebec would get its share. The Conservative ministers from Quebec failed dismally in this respect. That is why we have brought this issue before the House today. We hope that the members of this House will support this motion so that we can achieve satisfactory results. The government must change its position so that Quebec can get its fair share of aerospace investment.

Quebec is not looking for charity. Quebec's aerospace industry accounts for between 55% and 60% of the Canadian aerospace industry. It is only natural that Quebec should get its fair share, and that is what we are asking for. We want this House to tell the Conservative government that it did not do its homework and that it should have required that Boeing invest specific percentages in the regions, according to the existing distribution. That would have been truly fair.

When the Minister of Industry tells us that this is a private contract and he cannot intervene, he is clearly mistaken. In fact, he himself did intervene. He set conditions about spin-offs, but he did not have the courage of his convictions, or else his proposal was simply refused. Publicly, the Prime Minister told Canadians that there would be no geographic distribution. Even though the Minister of Public Works and Government Services claimed that he was trying to get as much as possible for Quebec, the Minister of Industry took exactly the same position as the Prime Minister. In that sense, he is particularly responsible for the mess that is going to result.

It is not just the Bloc Québécois that is frustrated and angry about this situation. This morning, in an article in Le Devoir entitled “The aerospace industry is angry”, Sue Dabrowski, general manager of the Quebec Aerospace Association, said:

The federal government has a responsibility. It cannot just wash its hands and say, “Sort this out yourselves”. If it keeps on like this, it will have a fight on its hands.

Because she has been trying to meet with the Minister of Industry for months, in fact, since the election last year, she added this:

I am very disappointed. I still hope to meet with him and tell him that there are problems with the process. We have to work as a team.

This laissez-faire approach of the Conservatives is distorting the process.

The government claims to want to give everyone an equal chance, but that is not what it is doing. The company that will get the Boeing contract already owns businesses in Ontario, Manitoba and the west. Naturally, the company will turn to its subsidiaries and its usual subcontractors. This means that the Conservative government has knowingly, deliberately decided to move the aerospace industry in Canada. Because of the government's actions, the percentage of investment in Quebec will be lower than was hoped and expected and lower than Quebec deserved in all fairness.

The result of this situation is that this hurts the aerospace industry which is very uneasy about this decision by the government. We absolutely have to express our disagreement with that position in this House.

The government could have imposed all the conditions it wanted. Military purchases are exempt from trade agreements. There is therefore no problem in terms of the WTO or other international organizations. Governments may make their military purchases where they want and impose the conditions they want. In this case, however, the government provided that the spinoffs in Canada would be equivalent to the amount of the contract, but did not provide spinoffs for Quebec. They knowingly made the choice to sacrifice the Quebec aerospace industry for the benefit of other parts of Canada.

Unfortunately, we know that the automobile industry is concentrated in Ontario. The practice is the same in Canada for aeronautics because expertise and skills have been developed, not only in the big corporations but also in the SMEs in that sector. They are all going to suffer from this decision. The greater Montreal area is not the only one that will suffer. We have obtained the number of companies that have aerospace contracts all over Quebec and they are in every region of Quebec. Today, it is those companies that are being penalized by the position taken by the Conservative government. Ottawa has undercut the only real aerospace centre in Canada. In the aerospace industry, we have a few big companies that manufacture airplanes or engines, but there are also a large number of suppliers that work on contract and the only centre of aerospace industry is the one in Quebec. The government's present position is therefore very unfortunate.

Quebec is the loser, because, since the Quebec industry is a centre in itself, it is less integrated into the American industry than the Canadian plants, which are already within the American orbit. We know that much of the expansion of the aerospace industry in Canada was due to the industry paying attention to the needs of the private sector. A part of it is associated with the army, with the air force, but that is much less a factor.

Moreover, on December 31, 2006, the Conservatives ended the Technology Partnerships Canada program. You can go and look on the department's website; there is no longer a Technology Partnerships Canada program. The minister had told us for months and months that the program was being analyzed and that a new program was going to be announced. We have not seen that new program. Now, the message that is being sent to the entire planet is that in Canada, if you want to invest in aerospace, you will not have government support as you have in Brazil, the United States or elsewhere. This means that for investments that are decided several years in advance, there is now a glaring absence in the Conservative government's attitude. This reflects the same spirit as saying that they do not want to intervene in the economy in any way.

Under the three contracts, they will be paying out about $10 billion, and it is a private company that will make the choices for the entire industry, and we know full well that there is no natural inclination at Boeing to invest in Bombardier. It is a competitor. There is therefore no natural inclination to do that. The government had a responsibility to rationalize the market in that respect and it decided not to take that opportunity. That is what we are criticizing it for today.

The spinoffs in Canada should amount to about $9.2 billion. As a result of the choice it has made, the government will be responsible for the loss of 18,500 jobs. This is undercutting the Quebec aerospace industry and the government is striking at the jewel in the crown of our economy. That is why no one should be surprised at the anger being expressed by all representatives of the aerospace industry in Quebec.

Not only is it happy to weaken the industry now, but the government is also casting a shadow over its future. There is a rule in the aerospace industry that the earlier a company gets involved in the development of a new product, the more it gets to work on technologically interesting things. Conversely, suppliers who come along later work on less important parts involving less technological research. That is what will happen in this case. We will get the crumbs rather than the main body of the research, the new products and the development. This too is a very negative effect of the Conservatives’ decision not to intervene. It makes us wonder whether the Conservatives are pathologically opposed to Quebec’s aerospace industry.

We used to see the vehement tirades of the Reform Party. We sure remember them. That is the spirit we see returning today, as if everything done in Quebec were bad and the fact that the government was helping the aerospace industry constituted an undue advantage for Quebec. Everywhere in the world, this industry is helped, assisted and supported by government.

In Canada, though, we are going backwards and in the other direction. That really is bad.

The Bloc Québécois has long been proposing a genuine aerospace policy. Unfortunately, what the Conservatives are doing is completely at odds with this. We need a major adjustment. The policy we want is the following. First, there should be a clear, predictable program to support research and development so that we can say to the world that if they invest in our aerospace industry, they will get assistance in the form of a research and development program.

We also need a solid and predictable commitment from the banks for financing, especially for export sales. There are already programs like this, but the government needs to do more.

Finally, we need a policy to support SMEs in the aerospace sector. In order for us to derive as many economic benefits as possible, small businesses, which are less able to penetrate international markets, must have the support they need to join forces and win contracts. Finally, we need a policy on military procurement that helps the industry develop. What we see before us now, though, is the very opposite.

I thought it was appalling to hear the Minister of Public Works state at a press conference that he was unable to say what percentage of the benefits would go to the various regions of Canada and especially Quebec. It was appalling to hear the minister say that the region would be Canada. Certain parts of Canada have worked very hard to develop this industry. Quebec is the heart of it. The Conservatives’ attitude is totally frustrating and unsatisfactory for all Quebeckers.

On Friday, February 2, 2007, the government purchased four C-17 cargo planes. In exchange for this high added value manufacturing, the federal government required the suppliers of the three projects to guarantee as many economic benefits as possible. But there was no way it wanted to say that Quebec’s share of these benefits would have to be assured. So these projects do not include the important things that we would have liked to see.

The aerospace industry is mainly concentrated in the Montreal area, and it includes many small and medium sized businesses. Quebec is a leader in this industry, with 250 companies, 240 of which are small or medium sized businesses. Their production has a value of more than $11 billion, and 89% of it is exported. This represents exactly what we have been told we should do for 10, 15 or 20 years, develop specialized sectors to be able to export. Quebec has developed expertise in this industry, it has developed products, and it has carved out its niche. Overnight, as a result of a decision made by this Conservative government, this stronghold will be shaken because an American company will be allowed to decide how the aerospace industry in Canada is to develop.

Jobs in the aerospace industry are high quality jobs which carry an average salary of more than $58,000 a year. In this industry, Quebec has become a world leader ranking sixth, behind the United States, France, the United Kingdom, Germany and Japan. The Montreal area, where 95% of this industry’s activities are concentrated, ranks fifth in the world in terms of jobs in the aerospace industry. The federal government gets $2.1 billion in tax revenues from this sector which is crucial for Quebec and Canada.

It is very hard to find the reasons why the Conservative government decided to ignore the existing distribution of the operations of this industry, but maybe it is just a way to destabilize the aerospace industry in Quebec. We need much more help for this industry. A specific gesture was needed from the federal government. It should have told Boeing clearly that it would get the contracts and that it could invest in Canada, but that it had to comply with the existing distribution of operations in Canada and grant to Quebec companies roughly 60% of its subcontracts, a proportion that reflects its present share of investments in this industry. That way, we could forge ahead, and Quebec and Canada could be an important development centre.

Now Boeing has the possibility of deciding to spread its investments around according to its objectives. As a private company, it cannot be faulted for taking that approach dictated by its shareholders. I do, however, find it unacceptable that the federal government has abdicated what was, and still is, its responsibility by handing it over to a private company. Unfortunately, it will have to answer for the outcome.

But I am aware that every time the Bloc Québécois has raised this matter here in the House or in a press conference, it has resulted in frantic efforts to place contracts in Quebec in order to make the Conservative government look good.

That is exactly what I want to see happen, for Quebec to get the best possible return on its investments. But the Conservative government's current attitude has held Quebec back and made it adopt an attitude that is not in keeping with its market position.

It is important for the House to make it clear to the Conservative government that we do not want to see its present approach continued, and that it ought to change its ways and move forward with investments respecting Quebec for what it is.

The Bloc Québécois maintains that the federal government needs to provide the aerospace industry with stable, predictable and substantial R&D support. The industry needs to be able to count on a federal government contribution in the 20% to 30% range for all R&D projects. The government must strike a program that is specifically tailored for the aerospace industry, and immediately inject the necessary funds.

We are nowhere near this at the moment. They favour that practice saying that this is a private market that needs to be allowed to play out, and that Quebec will,in the end, go after its share. This attitude, in my opinion, does not reflect market reality. Unfortunately, if the Conservative government does not change its attitude, within a few years we will be seeing aerospace jobs moving. There will be fewer in Quebec and more elsewhere in Canada, not necessarily because of the vigour of the industries in the other provinces, but rather because of the federal government's decision to give free rein to a company for the target areas of its investments. This approach must be rejected.

It is important, therefore, that this motion gain the support of the House. It is obvious that the future of some of the largest businesses in Quebec depends on it. In addition to such leading lights as Bombardier, there is also the small and medium business sector, which has also made its contribution and created considerable employment.

For all these reasons, we feel that the motion we have tabled today, for the House to denounce the laisser-faire attitude of the government that prevailed in its negotiations with Boeing, is important. It is equally important to us that the House support it because, given the present situation which we are defending, there is an absolute need to turn the situation around.

We have not been used to this sort of behaviour in the past from the governments here. The change we are seeing now represents a harsh blow which will result in a destabilized Quebec aerospace industry.

For all these reasons, I encourage the House to vote in favour of the Bloc Québécois motion.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:25 a.m.

Beauce Québec

Conservative

Maxime Bernier ConservativeMinister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member spoke of the laissez-faire attitude and said that this government does not care about the aerospace industry in Quebec and Canada.

I would like to say that this is entirely inaccurate, since we have required the aerospace industry and Boeing, which won the aircraft bid, to invest one dollar in economic activity in Canada for every contract dollar awarded. Those are the facts. We have required that Boeing respect Canada's industrial development policy.

In addition, we asked Boeing to ensure that the investments are made in key technologies, which are the technologies of the future for Canada's aerospace industry.

My colleague and member of the opposition said that we required nothing of Boeing, which is completely untrue. We required that Boeing invest in key technologies critical to the aerospace industry and based on a list developed with the help of the industry.

I would ask my colleague where he is getting his facts, and how he can say that this government is doing nothing, when we have invested several million dollars in our Canadian armed forces.

What more can the Bloc Québécois do to help the Canadian armed forces and the aerospace industry? In my opinion, in its platform, the Bloc Québécois is against military spending, which means it is against economic benefits.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would have liked the minister to listen to my speech because, as I said several times, the federal government did demand Canadian spinoffs. The problem is that it chose to ignore the present geographic distribution of the aerospace industry and that will hurt the industry's development in Quebec. There was a conscious decision made to destabilize that industry and move it outside of Quebec.

With the extraordinary buying power that $9.3 billion gave, it could very well have added to the conditions it imposed an additional one forcing to respect that geographic distribution instead of letting the Minister of Public Works and Government Services waste his energy trying to get some guarantees that he did not get.

What can the Bloc Québécois do on the issue? The Bloc has always been arguing and fighting for the interests of the Quebeckers on issues like the aerospace industry. In the end, we succeed in securing investments, in spite of the federal government's lack of action. We do our work and Quebeckers can very well appreciate the work we do on the issue.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

NDP

The Deputy Speaker NDP Bill Blaikie

Are there other questions?

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

With regard to the purchase of military equipment, we think that we need a real policy to ensure that it will have the maximum spinoffs. That is the answer to the minister's question.

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Brian Fitzpatrick Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Mr. Speaker, I listened with interest to the member's presentation. It sounded like a good, socialist, centralized planning regime. The North Koreans have the most extreme central planned economy. I guess Cuba would fit into the story. The old Soviet Union did.

For the life of me, Boeing is a successful company because it knows how to make airplanes. I think the member who spoke would have trouble putting air in the tires of an airplane, yet alone manufacturing one, but now he has become an expert on airplanes. The member is telling the House that we should be dictating to Boeing how to build airplanes. We are here to make laws in Parliament, not to get into the politics of directing successful companies on how to build airplanes.

I am quite sure about this. Boeing is building aircraft for the Canadian armed forces, something that the Bloc is generally opposed to. The reason why this investment is going to be made in our country, and in all regions of the country, is that we have a government that supports the military, as opposed to the Bloc and so on.

Why does the Bloc believe that politics should be the driving force in determining how contracts should be procured? One would think, given some of the scandals that have occurred--

Opposition Motion—Aerospace IndustryBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

NDP

The Deputy Speaker NDP Bill Blaikie

Order. I am trying to give the hon. member an opportunity to answer the question.

The hon. member for Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup.