Mr. Chair, I have a couple of points in response.
First, it is not an either/or situation. The Liberals are in favour of expanding Canada pension plan benefits. I think I just mentioned that, but I will mention it again.
As I said, I was at the Canadian union's announcement and I was quite supportive of expanding Canada pension plan benefits.
For those who do not have that, the supplementary system has been approved by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business and about 22 other organizations, as was mentioned by the member for York West. There is an example of a recent plan in which $16 billion was invested very quickly. People do invest in voluntary plans when they have no other option.
We are providing both options: increasing the Canada pension plan and, personally I hope, also increasing the old age supplement, and also offering a supplementary plan for those who do not fit into the other plan.