Order, please. We are getting into a debate here rather than a point of order.
It seems to me that the hon. Minister of Transport and the member for Hull—Aylmer have a dispute concerning the facts. I would suggest that they arrange to have a late show or something and settle the matter there. I do not believe that it has anything to do with the rules of the House. I have heard nothing here that suggests the rules of the House have been impeached in any way. We should move on.
Does hon. member for Hull--Aylmer have a rules issue?