House of Commons Hansard #200 of the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was crime.

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Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

Mr. Speaker, I too was once the immigration minister. I do not need any lectures on how we are defending criminals to the detriment of victims.

We are all here to do a good job. We are all here to ensure that we live in a safe environment. However, the role of a member of Parliament, of a parliamentarian, is to ask all the relevant questions to make sure that this law does not end up the subject of court cases and to avoid additional problems. One thing we have to wonder about is whether a permanent resident is protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. These are questions we should be asking ourselves.

What is important today is to avoid using demagoguery to say that it is good people against bad. As parliamentarians, we have a duty to all our communities to ask the right questions and to take the time needed to go all the way.

What is the minister afraid of? Why does he not want to debate the bill? The bill will be passed regardless since the government has a majority. So why not give parliamentarians the time to do their job right?

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, I want to debate the bill. We are debating it and this is an issue that was debated during the last election. Canadians decided that they wanted to give a mandate to a government that would remove serious criminals from Canada much faster, and that is what we are proposing.

I completely agree with the member that parliamentarians have a duty to question ministers, examine bills and propose amendments. However, all parliamentarians sometimes have a duty to take action, especially when it comes to protecting our communities.

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4:10 p.m.

NDP

Djaouida Sellah NDP Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise to express my frustration with what the Conservative government is doing. Every time we want to discuss topics that are very important to our ridings, either here or on the other side, and the Conservatives do not agree with the issue in question, they immediately move a time allocation motion. That is undemocratic. It is not transparent. It prevents us from representing our constituents.

They have the majority for the time being; I hope that will change.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, I think the member is completely wrong. I am certain that the majority of her constituents, like the vast majority of Canadians, want to see serious foreign criminals removed faster.

Polls show that more than 90% of Canadians support the intent of this bill.

Is it really democratic for the opposition to stall the passage of a bill supported by more than 90% of Canadians? No. I think that the government reflects Canadian consensus on this issue.

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4:15 p.m.

NDP

Alain Giguère NDP Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Speaker, the problem with this process is that it will lead to us passing a bill that, in theory, should deal with criminals. But, in reality, a court would deem this type of law to be ultra vires. What is more, this bill does not address serious criminality.

The Rizzutos are a crime family in Montreal. They came from Venezuela, where they were drug traffickers. In Canada, they have been involved in nothing but drug trafficking and a few murders. But this law will never keep them awake at night. We are passing it too hastily. This law will never protect Canadians from foreign crime.

This bill is nothing more than a marketing ploy by a government in desperate need of publicity. That is the problem. That is what is behind this process.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, we understand the problem. The opposition claims to have studied the bill in detail. However, their comments demonstrate an absolute ignorance of this bill. In fact, one element of the bill would keep members of organized crime families and networks out of Canada.

We are addressing these concerns head-on. For far too long it has been possible, and legal, for those close to mafiosi, terrorists, or dictators such as Tunisia's Ben Ali to come to Canada.

This bill will slam the door on family members of the mafia and organized crime. That is why it needs to be passed quickly.

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4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Speaker, one of the intriguing aspects in the bill that I feel is common sense, and perhaps we should have looked at it earlier, is the implementation of the electronic travel authorization, or ETA. Could the minister elaborate on the importance of the ETA and identifying people?

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Jamie Nicholls NDP Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. We had a point of order before on the fact that we were debating the time allocation motion and not the content of the bill. I hope the member will return to relevance and speak about the motion.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Acting Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

I thank the member for Vaudreuil-Soulanges for his intervention. I remind hon. members that we only have a 30-minute question period. We will proceed with that forthwith and I remind hon. members to keep their points relevant. However, as has been said, the bill, which is the subject of this time allocation, invariably becomes part of the content.

The hon. member for Richmond Hill.

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4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

In finishing my question, Mr. Speaker, I was wondering if the minister could elaborate for us the importance of the implementation of the ETA.

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4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, I think that actually does speak to the motion because there is some degree of urgency in most elements of the bill. Certainly electronic travel authorization is an important part of the broader efforts included in the bill to substantially improve our immigration security screening to ensure that those who enter Canada do so with good intent and not with the intention of harming this country or her neighbours.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Marc-André Morin NDP Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Mr. Speaker, excessive use of time allocation can have serious consequences. As elected representatives, we have a role to play. The members opposite do not seem to understand that our constituents are not idiots. They understand what is going on here.

Last weekend, I participated in an event in my riding. An elderly man, who did not seem to have any university or post-secondary education, asked me questions about my job and how things work here. He could not believe that not one of 900 amendments to a bill was any good, that it was all garbage and nonsense. I told him that that was what the members opposite thought.

And it is the same in parliamentary committees. Nothing happens, and there is no discussion whatsoever. Particularly if we are trying to improve a bill, you can bet there will be no discussion. People will catch on eventually, and the members opposite will get a rude awakening in 2015. They will learn that sneering at Canadians for an entire mandate will not get them far in the end.

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4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jason Kenney Conservative Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, I may not have fully grasped the member's point, but since he related a story involving constituents, I would like to add that I have talked to hundreds of new Canadians from across Canada.

They said that they support this bill, but they also said that it does not go far enough. They want an even tougher approach than the one we have put forward here. They will not tolerate foreigners coming to Canada and abusing the privilege of living in this great country. They believe that Parliament should act quickly to remove foreigners who have abused the privilege of living in this great country.

We agree, and I am disappointed that the NDP does not.

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4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Acting Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

That will bring the 30-minute question period to an end, and I thank hon. members for their co-operation in keeping their remarks on time.

Before we carry on, it is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the question to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment is as follows: the hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands, Foreign Investment.

It is my duty at this time to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith the question necessary to dispose of the motion now before the House.

The vote is on the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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4:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

No.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Acting Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Yea.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Acting Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

All those opposed will please say nay.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Nay.

Bill C-43--Time Allocation MotionFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Acting Speaker Conservative Bruce Stanton

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And five or more members having risen:

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #602

Faster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Speaker Conservative Andrew Scheer

I declare the motion carried.

I wish to inform the House that because of the proceedings of the time allocation motion, government orders will be extended by 30 minutes.

The House resumed from January 29 consideration of Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, as reported (with amendments) from the committee, and of the motions in Group No. 1.

Report StageFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

5:05 p.m.

Mississauga—Erindale Ontario

Conservative

Bob Dechert ConservativeParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs

Mr. Speaker, when I left off earlier I was telling the hon. members here that under the current law a foreign criminal may be ordered deported if they could receive a maximum sentence in Canada of at least 10 years for their crime, or if they receive an actual sentence of more than six months.

The problem is that under the current law, as long as the sentence is less than two years, a permanent resident can appeal their deportation to the immigration appeal division. If they lose that appeal, they may then apply for leave and judicial review of that decision to the federal court.

As a result, serious foreign criminals, even violent and dangerous ones, are often able to take advantage of a sentence of two years less a day to delay deportation from Canada for many months, even years on end. Not surprisingly, those serious convicted foreign criminals have all too often gone on to commit new crimes in Canada and to victimize even more innocent Canadians.

Let me give just one example of how convicted foreign criminals have made a mockery of our judicial and immigration systems, while endangering the safety and security of ordinary Canadians. As Canadians have read in the media, Patrick Octaves De Florimonte arrived as a permanent resident from Guyana in 1994. Within two years of his arrival he was convicted of a serious crime, assault with a weapon. Less than a year later, he was convicted of two more crimes, theft and possession of a narcotic. One year later, he was convicted once again of assault. Just six more months passed and he had already faced yet another conviction for uttering threats.

Members can imagine where the story goes. In December 2005, Mr. De Florimonte was convicted of five counts of trafficking in crack cocaine. For this crime, he received his first sentence of longer than six months. Shortly after serving his 13-month sentence, he was convicted once again of assault with a weapon and for uttering threats. Mr. De Florimonte was reported for criminal inadmissibility in October 2006, but he was able to delay his removal when he filed an appeal with the immigration appeal division. His appeal was declared abandoned after he failed to show up for his hearing, but he was then able to reopen his appeal.

The immigration appeal division ultimately dismissed his appeal but he was able to further delay his removal once again when he asked the federal court to review the decision. The court denied his request in March 2011, and in October 2011, when he failed to report for his removal, a warrant was issued for his arrest. That was five years after he was initially reported for criminal inadmissibility.

Enough is enough. This has to stop. It is time to send a clear message to foreign criminals, such as Mr. De Florimonte, that if they commit a serious crime in Canada, we are going to give them a one-way ticket out of Canada as fast as we can. With Bill C-43, we are doing just that. We are putting a stop to convicted foreign criminals who rely on appeal after appeal in order to delay their removal from Canada during which time they continue to terrorize innocent Canadians.

Living in Canada is a privilege and we require very little of people to maintain their permanent residency. One of the very few things, however, that we do require is that they do not go out and commit a serious crime. We do not think that is too much to ask of someone who we have welcomed into our country with open arms. If people do commit serious crimes, they will get their day in court because everyone, even a foreign criminal, deserves that.

With Bill C-43 foreign criminals would still get their day in court, but what they will not get is years in court. Abusing our process is a desperate, last ditch effort to delay their removal from Canada. In other words, foreign criminals deserve due process but not endless process.

Shortly after its tabling, media commentary and editorials were enthusiastic in their support of Bill C-43. The Globe and Mail wrote that the Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism had made a convincing case for a new law allowing the swift deportation of convicted criminals. The tiny share of immigrants and refugees who lack citizenship and are convicted of serious crimes on Canadian soil forfeit their right to be here. Sun Media columnist, Lorne Gunter, meanwhile wrote that Bill C-43 is “so sensible it will probably surprise most Canadians that the new policy isn't already the law of the land”.

We think that virtually every Canadian would agree with the need to implement the fair and reasonable measures found in the faster removal of foreign criminals act. I am confident that my hon. colleagues in the House share this sentiment and will express this by supporting the bill.

Report StageFaster Removal of Foreign Criminals ActGovernment Orders

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I think the government would be best advised to recognize that whether it is a Liberal member of Parliament or even a New Democratic member of Parliament, there is no one in the House who is trying to say that we should not speed up the process of getting rid of foreign criminals or landed residents who commit horrendous crimes.

In fact, if the government were really on top of things, there are many other things it could be doing, such as providing adequate resources. One of the examples that the government, and Conservative member after Conservative member, bring up is the Clinton Gayle incident, saying that if it were not for the appeal process that RCMP officer would still be alive.

I would like to make reference to an email that I received and would ask the member to comment on it.

Clinton Gayle did appeal a deportation order but lost. The immigration department lost his file and then failed to get the travel document. Gayle was not removed and he subsequently killed Officer Baylis. The department, not the appeal division, was sued by the police force for its negligence and the department settled the suit. The reason Gayle remained in Canada was because of the department's incompetence in his removal. That is the real reason.

Bill C-43 would not have, as many of the Conservative members are saying, made a difference or saved that RCMP officer.

The bottom line is that there are many other things the Department of Immigration, working with other ministries, could do that would ensure the criminals it wants to get out of the country would get out quicker, and these do not include the measures that would be taken in Bill C-43.