House of Commons Hansard #82 of the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was transport.

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Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, at the beginning of the evening, a mere three hours ago, I gave the correct number when it came to the number of civil aviation oversight inspectors. I gave the incorrect number in the last round of questioning. I just want to make sure that for the purposes of the record, I am clear that in civil aviation the oversight positions numbers are 1137 and not what I said, which was the total number, 1707.

I thank the hon. member for catching me on that one and ensuring that we have the record sorted out, and I am delighted that he talked about a topic that is very important to us.

With regard to what happened in Lac-Mégantic, the first meeting I had was in Lac-Mégantic with the mayor of Lac-Mégantic, and from there I met the local mayors ten days later. The one thing that came out of it was the importance of understanding that first responders needed to have certain information and, second, that they needed to ensure that they had a communication line open with the rail companies in their area.

That is what we have been trying to do through our protective directives, the first one having to do with the information and the second one, which we just did, having to do with emergency preparedness along Canada's railway lines.

As the member pointed out, an ERAP, or emergency response assistance plan, is a formal plan. It is what industry says it will do to support first responders, the ones first on the scene in the event of an accident involving dangerous goods. Sometimes it requires special expertise and sometimes it requires special response equipment. An ERAP helps municipalities and local emergency responders by providing them with around-the-clock technical expertise and specifically trained and equipped emergency response personnel at the scene of an accident.

The ERAP describes specialized response capabilities and equipment that would be used to support response to incidents involving higher-risk dangerous goods. It addresses emergency preparedness, personnel training, response exercises, and equipment maintenance.

As the hon. member also pointed out, CANUTEC supports first responders as well. Transport Canada's 24-hour emergency centre is staffed with scientists who provide real-time information and emergency responses by the first responders following an accident or an incident, something which the municipalities told us they wanted to have.

Prior to my announcement on April 23, regulations required an ERAP for certain volatile refined fuels, such as gasoline or diesel, when there were a large number of cars in interconnected trains. The requirement did not apply to crude oil or if a smaller number of cars were transported.

ERAP requirements are now being expanded to include specific flammable liquids transported in large volumes by train. The protective directives that we put in place require shippers to develop these ERAPs for flammable liquids like crude oil, gasoline, diesel, aviation fuel, and ethanol. An ERAP is required even when it is just a single tank. I think that is an important specific issue with respect to how we are dealing with this matter.

Industry must submit the ERAP to Transport Canada for approval within 150 days, and we have set up a task force as well to facilitate even further more recommendations that may be made by the transportation of dangerous goods general policy advisory committee's emergency response working group.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Chair, we heard from a number of witnesses in committee from the Canadian firemen's association with respect to the flow of information with respect to what is being transported.

I wonder if the minister can tell Canadians of the discussions she has had with the Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs with respect to rail safety and the role of first responders in the event of an accident.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, the Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs has been absolutely essential for our ability to work with the community on the issues of first responders. They have attended our meetings. They have met with me on a one-on-one basis. They have met with my officials. They have met with my staff as well. Their input is invaluable. I thank them for it, and I am very pleased that they themselves ended up commending our government for requiring emergency response assistance plans for these shipments and that they feel we are listening to the public safety concerns of emergency responders.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, as a lot of people have done tonight, I would like to wish a happy birthday to the minister. After seeing her performance at the press gallery dinner, I will not sing her Happy Birthday, but I do wish her happy birthday for what is left of it.

Funding for the motor vehicle safety program has been cut by 34% since 2009, from $34 million to less than $21 million this year. How many staff are currently working on this program?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

With respect to the motor vehicle safety program, Mr. Chair, we have 80 full-time equivalents in these positions.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, that is down from 126 full-time positions in 2009. Which positions have been cut, and which programs have been affected?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

With respect to the question, Mr. Chair, affected positions were mainly responsible for outreach, which is road-user education, communications, and design. They were not related to legislative or regulatory operations and were not in the defects investigations and recalls division, meaning that they were not part of the safety administration.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, in June, a fatal road accident happened in Quebec. That accident may have been caused by a defective GM part.

When did GM become aware of the problem?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, with respect to the accident that happened last year, that accident was not tied to potential recalls of GM vehicles until afterward. I was notified of the recall issue with respect to GM on February 28.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, when was Transport Canada notified of the problem?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, on February 10, 2014, GM Canada issued the recall affecting 153,000 vehicles, specifically with respect to a defect that could allow an ignition to unintentionally move from the “run” position to the “accessory” or “off” position.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, when was Transport Canada notified of the problem?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, Transport Canada was notified when GM Canada issued its recall on February 10, 2014.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, GM has been subjected to five different U.S. inquiries or investigations, and its CEO has testified at two U.S. government hearings. Why does the Government of Canada not want Canadians to get answers from GM?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

With respect to the ongoing investigations in the United States, Mr. Chair, the timing of when the parent company knew of this defect is actually under investigation by U.S. authorities. We know that GM Canada does not act independently of its parent company. Decision-making like this on recalls is centralized, as it is with other manufacturers.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, does the minister not want Canadians to get answers and ask questions of GM directly?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, we have the Motor Vehicle Safety Act, and in that act, there is an obligation on manufacturers to let us know when there is a defect and to recall, if that is the case. We expect that manufacturers will adhere to that act. We expect that they would do so, because there are fines and possible imprisonment should they not do so.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, the problem is that the minister tells us that Transport Canada knew about it in February, but GM, according to reports in the media, knew about the problem back in 2001. Why did it take so long?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, this is something that is subject to great scrutiny and investigation in the United States. As I said, decision-making happens in the United States, and Canada is not separate from that. It is something that is held in the United States with respect to those matters.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, why not allow us to ask questions at the transport committee here in Canada?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, as I indicated already, GM Canada issued recalls. We do not have information as to whether it knew of that issue or that defect prior to the recall being given to Transport Canada. Transport Canada, of course, has been involved with respect to prosecutions under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act in the past. The difficulty is that we are waiting to see what is happening in the United States with respect to their information. The investigations will continue there.

Further to that, it is fair to say, correcting something I said earlier, that Transport Canada was not aware of an ignition switch issue prior to receiving its first notice from GM Canada in February. Therefore, there was no connection made to that previous accident the hon. member referred to that happened, unfortunately, in June of last year.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, it is a shame that the minister does not want us to ask her and GM questions in committee.

Now I would like to talk about an issue that is very important to me: the Champlain Bridge. Transport Canada is responsible for building the new Champlain Bridge, yet the Minister of Infrastructure is the one in charge of the project.

What is the minister's role in this file?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, we have been very clear from the beginning on the matter with respect to this bridge. Although work is being carried out by Transport Canada, this is a bridge that is under the authority and under the carriage of the file of my colleague, the Minister of Infrastructure.

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Chair, the minister who is currently managing the file has managed to turn everyone against the government's position. It would be good if the Minister of Transport took over the file. Can she tell us what proportion of the construction costs will be paid for by the toll?

Transport—Main Estimates, 2014–15Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Halton, ON

Mr. Chair, what I can say is, I am very confident in my colleague, the Minister of Infrastructure's handling of the file. He was an excellent transport minister. He is an excellent infrastructure minister and intergovernmental affairs minister. He will manage this file to his greatest capabilities. I have great confidence in him.

With respect to the Champlain Bridge itself, as I indicated, he has carriage of that file. Although Transport Canada is involved with respect to supporting the minister on that file, it is not something within my portfolio.