First, Madam Chair, I thank the member for recognizing the service. Many members in this House have served, and we can all be proud of our service, but we do not wear a uniform anymore. As I said, as the Minister of National Defence I have the huge privilege of being in this role, and it is now my job to serve them.
When it comes to our NATO meetings, there is not a NATO meeting I go to that I do not get together with my other colleagues to have a separate meeting on Ukraine. We have very detailed discussions. The goal is always to de-escalate the situation. We will always continue to figure out their way of thinking.