House of Commons Hansard #319 of the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was health.

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Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership Implementation ActGovernment Orders

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Yasmin Ratansi Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to speak to Bill C-79, an act to implement the comprehensive and progressive agreement for the trans-Pacific partnership between Canada, Australia, Brunei, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.

What would the bill do? Bill C-79 would implement the CPTPP that was signed in San Diego on March 8 and would make all legislative changes required to ratify the CPTPP.

The CPTPP will benefit a wide range of sectors and industries across Canada, from beef and barley to forestry products and seafood. The agreement will enhance the competitiveness of businesses and services, while protecting and preserving our unique culture. Through this agreement, we will improve market access for Canadian businesses and bring economic prosperity to Canadians. We are ensuring real progress.

In my riding of Don Valley East, the many representatives of businesses whom I met over the summer through my meets and greets and coffee meets were thrilled that we were diversifying our markets. They believed it was a long time in coming.

I would like to provide a brief background on the bill.

The CPTPP is one of the largest free trade agreements in the world, comprising 11 countries. The CPTPP was concluded on January 23 and signed on March 8. The parties are now undertaking their respective domestic procedures for ratification and implementation before the agreement can enter into force. The CPTPP represents a trading block of 495 million people and a combined GDP of $13.5 trillion or 13.5% of the global GDP.

In light of all of these positive benefits that would accrue to Canada, our government is committed to the swift ratification and implementation of the comprehensive and progressive agreement for the trans-Pacific partnership. Why? Because this trade agreement will open up markets of an additional 500 million consumers, approximately 15 times the population of Canada, and this is positive because it also represents a combined GDP of $13.5 trillion or 13.5% of the global GDP.

What would this mean for businesses?

In my riding, business people are keen to see the progress and how it will benefit them and the people they employ. Therefore, to them and all businesses interested in this agreement, the agreement will provide preferential market access for Canadian exporters to key markets in the Asia-Pacific region. It will provide additional market access that Canada has with the existing FTA partners: Chile, Mexico and Peru. It will add valuable new market access opportunities with Australia, Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam. It will level the playing field for Canadian businesses competing in markets where other countries already have FTAs and in some cases it will create a first-mover advantage over other foreign competitors, especially in the Japanese market.

Through the CPTPP, our government is signalling that it is working hard to diversify trade so the middle class can compete and win on the world stage.

Here are some examples of what the CPTPP will benefit. In the agriculture sector, when the CPTPP enters into force, more than three-quarters of agriculture and agri-food products will benefit from immediate duty-free treatment, with tariffs on many other products to be phased out gradually. This will create new markets for Canadian pork, beef, pulses, fruit and vegetables, malts, grains, cereals, animal feed, maple syrup, wines and spirits, and processed goods. This is a win-win. In my riding, the businesses are very keen on it.

In the fish and seafood area, the CPTPP will eliminate 100% of tariffs on Canadian fish and seafood products. The vast majority of tariffs will be eliminated immediately while a small number will be phased-out over periods of up to 15 years. Tariff eliminations will make Canadian exports of a wide range of products such as salmon, snow crab, herring roe, lobster, shrimp, sea urchins, and oysters more competitive. This is real progress for our fishing industry.

In the area of industrial goods, under the CPTPP, 100% of tariffs on industrial goods and consumer products will be eliminated. The majority of Canadian industrial goods exported to CPTPP countries will be duty free immediately upon entry into force of the agreement, with most remaining tariffs on industrial goods to be eliminated within 10 years, which is another win for all Canadians.

In the forestry and value-added wood products area, the CPTPP will eliminate tariffs on all Canadian exports of forestry and value-added wood products. Many tariffs will be eliminated immediately upon entry into force of this agreement, while others will be phased-out over periods of up to 15 years.

The majority of the businesses in my riding are either in the service industry, investment or government procurement. In the service industry, the CPTPP will provide Canadian service suppliers with more secure access through greater transparency and predictability in the dynamic CPTPP regions. This is important because of governance and transparency issues. I have been travelling across Commonwealth countries and these issues prevent our investors from going there. Therefore, this area will be critical for businesses to look at before they go into different countries. I have many innovative firms in my riding that provide excellent, high-paying jobs, and they are looking for assurance that this portion of the agreement for services where it provides transparency and predictability is very strongly adhered to.

In the investment area, Canadian investors in the CPTPP will benefit from a comprehensive set of investment protection provisions, including against expropriation and denial of justice, backed by a robust mechanism for the resolution of investment disputes. This is critical for Canadian companies as well. As we go around the globe, people may be a little reticent to invest when they do not know what the investment climate is or whether there will be nationalization or any such thing.

In the area of government procurement, the CPTPP will create significant commercial opportunities for Canadian companies in the area of government procurement by improving upon existing access for Canadian businesses in Chile and Peru, and creating new opportunities in Australia, Brunei, Malaysia, and Vietnam. This will allow Canadian companies to compete equally with domestic suppliers in these markets for contracts involving covered goods, services, and construction services.

There are also non-tariff measures that will be advantageous to Canadian businesses, such as new rights and obligations regarding sanitary and phytosanitary measures. This is what we faced when we went into the agriculture and agri-food industries in India.

For the SMEs that are job creators in Canada, the CPTPP is good news. The CPTPP will make it easier for Canadian SMEs to explore and navigate the markets.

There are so many reasons for the House to support the passing of this bill.

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4:30 p.m.

NDP

Brigitte Sansoucy NDP Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Madam Speaker, I represent a very agricultural riding, a riding where agriculture is very diverse. I am well aware that some sectors fare better than others when an agreement is signed. What I am hearing in my riding is that the farmers in sectors that might benefit from the agreement do not want to do so at the expense of other sectors. They are certainly not prepared to benefit at the expense of industries that produce staples such as milk and eggs.

Should we not be asking questions about food security when we sign international trade agreements like this one?

Will this agreement jeopardize some of our industries, making us dependent on other countries for our basic food needs?

To me, food security should be a central consideration in these discussions, but that does not seem to be the case so far.

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4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Yasmin Ratansi Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Madam Speaker, it is important to understand that we cannot do hypothetical analysis. We have to do a very thorough reading. We have key stakeholders who need to be consulted as well. This is not a fait accompli. This is an agreement that needs due diligence through our various committees. I suggest that be done because we cannot sit back and say that we will not trade with anyone, that we will not assign agreements. That is not our way. The globe is shrinking and we need to be part of it.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Luc Berthold Conservative Mégantic—L'Érable, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my colleague for her speech and wish her a good parliamentary season.

This is a very important issue to all parliamentarians. This summer, the official opposition asked the government to ratify the CPTPP sooner. We need to do it soon because Canada absolutely needs to be among the first six countries to ratify the CPTPP so it can take full advantage of the markets that the agreement will open up.

The CPTPP will enter into force 60 days after being ratified by the first six countries. If Canada is not among the first six countries, our beef and grain producers and all those who will want access to this market will miss out on getting first pick and will be stuck with whatever is left.

The Liberal government has spoken today about the urgent need to adopt and ratify the CPTPP, but why did it refuse to do so before we adjourned in June? Why did it reject our proposal to recall the House for a special sitting this summer in order to be among the first six countries?

My question is simple, and I would like an answer.

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4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Yasmin Ratansi Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Madam Speaker, I would like to reflect on the marathon sessions we have had. This was where we put a lot into the government agenda. When the opposition does marathon sessions for no rhyme nor reason, or holds up the government's agenda and then comes back and says that we should have done it in June, that is a little too rich for my liking.

In fact, we wanted time to consult. We are not ramming anything through. We are asking for consultation. We have a whole list of stakeholders who would be interested in being consulted on this agreement.

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4:35 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, the course of the Trans Pacific partnership agreement is one we should bear in mind. Canada was late to the negotiations. Under the previous Harper administration and the previous government in the U.S., we ran to catch up. We got less than the best deals on offer in the TPP and then the U.S. pulled out. Therefore, we are really talking about new agreements with nine additional economies for much less benefit than was originally advertised.

Would the hon. member for Don Valley East explain why we would want to allow companies from Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Malaysia to bring suits against Canada if we pass laws they do not like?

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4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Yasmin Ratansi Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Madam Speaker, if I look at the bill itself, it says that the agreement provides the protection under various sections and that the act remains in conformity with Canada's obligations, but also that nothing can happen without the consent of the Attorney General of Canada.

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4:35 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Courtenay—Alberni, The Environment; the hon. member for Calgary Nose Hill, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship; and the hon. member for Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d'Orléans—Charlevoix, Justice.

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4:40 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, it is a great pleasure to rise in the Chamber today after a lovely summer being back with the good people of Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, all the way out on the west coast, and beautiful Vancouver Island. It was a fantastic summer spent in all of my various communities, really getting some great feedback on what they see as their priorities.

It is interesting that the first item on the government's agenda today is the debate on Bill C-79, the bill that is going to implement the CPTPP, which stands for the comprehensive and progressive agreement for the trans-Pacific partnership.

Right off the bat, I really want to acknowledge the incredible work that has been done by my colleague, the member for Essex, who stands as our international trade critic, and is one of the vice-chairs on the Standing Committee on International Trade. She and I are both from the class of 2015, and for her to take on such a complex and difficult file and deliver on it with such amazing grace and knowledge, she has served our caucus and, indeed, so many Canadians, very well on this file. I want to acknowledge the work that she is doing.

When we look at this, it is just a revision of the old trans-Pacific partnership, but the Liberals have decided to add two words, or have managed to get a lot of people to add the two words. In the course of the debate in support of this agreement, Liberals are relying heavily on the power of adjectives for this agreement to look good for Canadians.

Let us look at the first word “comprehensive”, which we can define as including nearly all elements of the aspects of something. If we really dig down, I do not think the agreement is quite as comprehensive as the Liberals would like to make it out to be. There are significant shortfalls in labour agreements and in environmental protection. There is no mention whatsoever of indigenous rights. There are significant gaps, despite the Liberals' attempts to paint this as a comprehensive agreement.

The second word is “progressive”. As I will lay out in the course of my speech, this agreement is really going to make a mockery of that word and the Liberals' attempts to really hoodwink us with that particular word.

New Democrats have long been concerned about the secrecy that surrounds both the TPP and the CPTPP negotiations. Despite the promises by the Liberal government to be transparent on trade deals, we have continued to get vague updates and mixed messages. In fact, it was during the 2015 federal election that the Prime Minister stated:

The government has an obligation to be open and honest about the negotiation process, and immediately share all the details of any agreement. Canadians deserve to know what impacts this agreement will have on different industries across our country. The federal government must keep its word and defend Canadian interests during the TPP’s ratification process – which includes defending supply management, our auto sector, and Canadian manufacturers across the country.

As I am going to lay out, it is precisely those sectors that are going to be negatively impacted by this agreement. We see this time and again in this place. As the Liberals come out with their words, their actions always, and sometimes very consistently, fail to meet up with those words.

Just for the benefit of my constituents back home, the CPTPP is a new agreement. It is slightly newer than the older version. It is an agreement between Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.

The negotiations for this agreement began in 2005 and concluded in October 2015. Countries did come in at various stages. Canada, unfortunately, was pretty late to the game, which the member for Essex has correctly identified as something that sort of eroded our ability to be a key player and to get some key provisions into the agreement.

I hear a lot of talk in this chamber about how important free trade is. It is important to note that we already have free trade agreements in place with South Korea, Chile, and Peru, and course with Mexico through the North American Free Trade Agreement. Some of the major players within this agreement are already covered by bilateral free trade agreements with Canada. Those are moot points right there.

The agreement was officially signed by the minister on February 4, 2016. The plans for it were disrupted with the election of United States President Donald Trump, who withdrew the United States from the agreement in January 2017. In January of this year, the 11 remaining countries agreed upon a revised TPP and renamed it with the two adjectives I mentioned.

The government has always made much about consultations. The consultations really were kind of downloaded on the Standing Committee on International Trade. That committee held dozens of sessions. It heard from more than 400 witnesses and received written comments from more than 60,000 Canadians, and I should note that 95% of those were against the agreement. The Liberals had promised that they would consult with the public, but again, those consultations were downloaded on the Standing Committee on International Trade, a body, like all committees, that has very limited resources to hold the kinds of meaningful consultations that we expect in an agreement of this size.

When the committee travelled to a few different locations, translation services were not really up to par and the testimony was not transcribed for the record, which is problematic when a committee needs to look at witness testimony, because it has to rely on written notes. However, it is important to note that in cities like Montreal, 19 out of 19 public presenters were opposed and in Quebec City, there were three out of three. Receiving 8,000 written submissions and struggling to translate them does not add up to meaningful consultation. It would have been better if the executive branch of the government had launched the consultations and used the resources available to its various ministries for meaningful consultations with all of the affected sectors.

The most interesting statistic to me is that with the submissions that were received by Global Affairs Canada, 18,000 Canadians wrote in and only 0.01%, two people out of those 18,000 submissions, were in support of the TPP. That is a pretty abysmal rate of success if we go by these things.

The member for Essex has gone over this, but it is really important to reiterate what New Democrats' major concerns are with this agreement, because it is not simply about trade. These agreements cover so many different areas and chief among them are our concerns with labour standards and human rights. I will start with labour.

If we hold up the provisions that protect labour and help investors, they are really not equal at all. If someone has a complaint with labour practices, the CPTPP obliges the complainant to basically prove that a member country has not enforced its own labour laws, but then it also has to show that the violation has had an impact on trade. Therefore, the burden of proof is so ridiculously unattainable that there has actually not even been one successful labour complaint. This is very troubling, because if we look at some of the member countries that are involved in this, we see that there are labour standards in Vietnam, which we have some serious concerns with and Mexico has been implicated in a number of human rights violations. There are countries with very differing standards compared to what we in Canada or in Australia, South Korea, Japan and New Zealand are used to, and yet we are bringing these countries into an agreement. We are essentially rewarding them with trade with Canada, but not asking them to bring their standards up.

The language on the labour standards is essentially unchanged from the old TPP, which, as I pointed out in my introduction, does make a mockery of the word “progressive”. One case I want to cite is the decision that was made with respect to a dispute between the United States and Guatemala. A panel of arbitrators found that no documented labour violations in Guatemala, including the murder of a union organizer, had occurred in a manner affecting trade. If a union organizer in some of these countries is murdered or tries to implement a strike to get better working conditions for their families, the arbitration most likely will find that it did not have an impact on trade and, therefore, is not covered under this kind of agreement.

As I mentioned there are some serious and systematic violations of labour and human rights that have occurred in Mexico and Vietnam and in some other countries. I just want to point out that in Vietnam in 2011, Human Rights Watch released a pretty shocking report on how drug addicts in that country were basically forced to do labour as a part of their sentences. In some cases, we have had multinational companies who have been soliciting their products from this forced labour. If that kind of a condition were to exist in Canada, we would absolutely be up in arms. It is a practice that rightfully belongs in history, and I believe that most Canadians, if they were to hear of it, would be rightly incensed.

We know of documented testimonies by people in these forced labour camps. When they refused to do the work, they were subject to beatings and all kinds of abuse. These are the kinds of things that Canadians are concerned about. We want to know how other countries practice human and labour rights when we sign free trade deals. They are important to us. They are important to our values and we want to see them reflected in our foreign policy.

The other country I really want to highlight is Brunei, because prior to 2014, homosexuality was illegal and punishable there by up to 10 years of imprisonment. However, the law was changed in that year and homosexuality can now be punishable to death by stoning. Brunei is one of the signatory countries of this agreement and yet we like to stand up here and talk about how progressive the agreement is. However, one of the member countries that we are granting access to our economy, Brunei, still has such a terrible way of dealing with a right that we cherish in this country and that we, as parliamentarians, have stood in this place time and time again to defend.

Canadians want to know if these are the types of countries we want to reward with trade with Canada. I think if another country is going to trade with one like ours and to get access to our economy and the amazing workforce and products that we have, if they want to sell their products here, they have to demonstrate a certain commitment to basic fundamental human values. I think that should be a starting point.

Yes, we in the NDP do have problems with this agreement because it is not just about trade. It is about the behaviours that exist in the countries that we are seeking to build partnerships with.

Let me move on to the other rights, to the indigenous and environmental rights. Climate change is arguably the biggest issue of the 21st century and we do not see a single mention of it in this. It is going to have ramifications for everyone on this earth. We all share the same planet. How are we going to lead our lives? The way we meet the challenge is going to chart the course of the 21st century. For countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Mexico, which have pretty huge impacts on climate change by virtue of their emissions, this would have been a perfect opportunity to hammer that out.

As well, for a government that likes to proclaim time and time again that no relationship is more important to it than first nations, why is there no mention of indigenous rights in this? Each of the member countries has significant indigenous populations. If we are serious about implementing the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, this should be a starting point for our international relations. This is something we should be promoting, something we should take seriously, because I can tell my colleagues that first nations, Métis and Inuit across this country are watching the government. Yes, the words are welcome, the commitments are welcome, but these have to be followed up with meaningful action. We are seeing time and time again that they are failing.

Let us look no further than when we were here in the spring. It was fantastic to see the Liberal government join our NDP members to ensure the passage of Bill C-262. However, when it came to the moment when the rubber met the road and we were, via the member for Edmonton Strathcona, to insert language in Bill C-69 that would live up to the aspirations of that bill, the Liberals rejected every single one of those amendments. Again, words are fine, commitments are fine, but at some point Canadians are going to ask, where are the actions that have met up with your commitments?

The Liberals will say a lot about the side letters that covered some of those things, but as the member for Essex rightly pointed out, the side letters are not enforceable unless they are specifically referenced in the text. Furthermore, if the content of the side letters were so important and meaningful, why did we not make the effort to get them included in the main agreement?

I also want to talk about the investor-state dispute settlement process, because it is one of the most egregious things that has remained in this agreement and something we have major problems with. Giving rights to corporations to basically come after rightfully and democratically elected local governments, as well as provincial governments and even the federal government, basically makes this an instrument to rein-in democracy. We believe that our ability to make public health laws and laws on how we want to protect our local environment should not be superceded or challenged by international corporate interests, full stop. I think most Canadians would agree with that statement. It is basically a tool for big businesses to make governments pay when they regulate.

If we look at all of the federal statutes that exist on the books, at all of the areas where the minister is given powers to regulate, regulations that are changed from time to time and put in the Canada Gazette for consultation periods, what is going on behind those closed-door meetings between industry stakeholders, international industry stakeholders and ministers? Are threats being made that if we go ahead with a certain regulation, they are going to sue us? I think there is a lot of evidence on that. We know that with the investor-state dispute mechanisms, we have seen claims against states explode. In the mid-1990s there were a few dozen. Nowadays, we are up to almost 600 known cases. It is one of those graphs that is going to continue to go up, and the more we put this kind of provision into our trade agreements, the more multinational companies will use it and challenge the democratic and sovereign rights of local governments to make laws for their citizens.

I will conclude by talking about agriculture, and specifically supply management. I want to acknowledge that the Grain Growers of Canada, the Canadian Cattlemen's Association and the Canola Council of Canada are going to benefit from this agreement. I am very happy they are. If we survey the votes in this place, we know that the Liberals and Conservatives are going to pass this agreement. However, the problem I have is with the repeated times Liberal ministers stand in this place to talk about defending supply management. I have in my hands quotes from the Dairy Farmers of Canada, the Chicken Farmers of Canada, and the Egg Farmers of Canada that unanimously condemn the government for the concessions it is making in the supply-managed sectors.

These sectors have good-paying, family farms that are often the cornerstone of small communities like mine in Cowichan—Malahat—Langford. The supply-managed system has enabled them to weather the shocks of international pricing or domestic pricing. One of the key components of that system is our import controls. However, when we start carving away these little niches, especially when Canadians have expressed the desire to have local dairy products, eggs, and chicken, we are undermining the basic unit of what goes on in many parts of rural Canada. I take issue with the Liberal government standing up time and time again saying it supports supply management but not following through with actions.

Canadians expect better when their governments are signing these kinds of trade deals. They expect that our values will inform how the government negotiates these agreements, and when the government actually talks about labour standards, human rights, environmental standards, and indigenous rights that it is actually going to follow through, and that it has some kind of an enforcement mechanism. These are all very sadly lacking in this agreement. It makes a mockery of the word “progressive”, and that is why I will stand united with my NDP caucus to voice our concerns and vote against this agreement.

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4:55 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, even before the legislation was talked about and the details of this agreement became known, we all knew that the NDP would be voting against it. It has traditionally, and continues today, not to recognize the value of trade agreements and their benefits for all Canadians, in particular our middle class. It does not recognize how an economy can grow from good, sound trade agreements. That is what this legislation is all about.

When we look at the NDP's position of opposing this, would the member indicate to Canadians that even before this legislation was actually tabled and the agreement was even reached, the NDP was in fact against it or any trade agreement. Is that not the reality?

Perhaps he could share with people what trade agreements among the last 60 the NDP has actually supported. Can he say it has supported more than three agreements?

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September 17th, 2018 / 5 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, my colleague was talking about the creation of middle-class jobs and lifestyles. Let me correct him on that. The middle class was not created; it was fought for every step of the way by the hardworking men and women in the labour movement. It was the labour movement that fought hard for the minimum wage, workplace standards, for the eight-hour workday, for the weekend, and for parental leave. It was the labour movement that has been at the forefront of some of the greatest progressive social change in our country. It had to fight every step of the way for those standards. We see the labour movement coming out and saying there is a big problem with this agreement.

He talks about the creation of jobs. I agree that some sectors are going to benefit. However, in the industrial heartland of Ontario, especially in the auto sector, arguably some of the most powerful middle-class jobs that exist in our country, they are going to face some serious downfalls.

In terms of what kind of trade agreements the NDP is prepared to support, I thought I was pretty clear in the course of my 20-minute speech what we would like to see in trade deals. Just because the Conservatives and the Liberals have failed to include those provisions does not make us wrong. We are just trying to apply a standard that certain members of Canadian society expect of their government, and I am proud to stand up in this place and argue for those every single time.

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5 p.m.

NDP

Tracey Ramsey NDP Essex, ON

Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my wonderful colleague, the MP for Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, for his wonderful speech here today on the NDP's position on the trans-Pacific partnership, now the CPTPP. I know his portfolio is agriculture. He does a wonderful job as our agriculture critic, and certainly supply management is something that has been bantered about in the House since I was elected in 2015. It is ironic that when we are on the cusp of something potentially better in NAFTA, the Liberals are bringing this trade agreement forward that clearly shows we are willing to throw open the doors on supply management.

I would like to quote a pre-election release from the Liberal Party of Canada. The Prime Minister, who was then the candidate for Papineau, stated:

The government has an obligation to be open and honest about the negotiation process, and immediately share all the details of any agreement. Canadians deserve to know what impacts this agreement will have on different industries across our country. The federal government must keep its word and defend Canadian interests during the TPP’s ratification process—which includes defending supply management, our auto sector, and Canadian manufacturers across the country.

Does the member finds it mind boggling like I do that when the Liberals were running for government, they said they were going to protect these things, and yet today we see the ratification of the CPTPP in which none of these things have been protected by the Liberals?

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5 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, as my colleague knows, we in the NDP have a favourite saying that the Liberals love to campaign from the left and then govern from the right. This happens time and again.

She is so right to point out the concessions that have been made by the Liberal government on our supply-managed sectors are in absolute contradiction to what Liberals have been stating in the House. If we look at the losses, the Dairy Farmers of Canada are looking at losses of $160 million a year. That is $160 million that goes to small family farms, which as I said in my speech are the cornerstone of many rural agricultural communities across our great country.

I will just read quick quote of Pierre Lampron, president of the Dairy Farmers of Canada. He said:

On the one hand, the Canadian government has repeatedly stated that it wants a vibrant, strong, and growing dairy sector that creates jobs and fosters investments; on the other hand, it continues to carve out pieces of our domestic dairy market, first through CETA, and now through the CPTPP.... The Government must understand that in continuing to make these concessions, they are putting the Canadian dairy sector in jeopardy.

There are similar quotes from the Chicken Farmers of Canada and the Egg Farmers of Canada.

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, I always enjoy listening to my NDP colleague's speeches as they are well-thought-out.

The Liberals seem to mismanage anything that they touch. I think back to the concerns that took place when the Prime Minister had an opportunity to speak in Vietnam and to be engaged. That created so much confusion not just for the negotiators but for each of the commodity groups because they really have no idea where anything is going to end up.

Right now we are concerned. There seems to be a political play with the discussions on the North American free trade agreement and that really is affecting our producers. Where I come from, the grain industry is really interested in moving this forward so that it can become a part of it.

I wonder if the member could speak to some of the confusion that has been left out there for everyone because of the Liberals' approach to trade.

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5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, I will return the compliment. I enjoy sitting with my colleague on the Standing Committee on Agriculture. It is a committee where we take a good, measured approach to agricultural policy.

I want to say off the bat for the grain growers of Canada and other agricultural groups that I am very sympathetic. They are pushing for this deal and if I could carve off that one section and support it, I would.

My opposition to this comes from just the whole comprehensive act itself.

The member is right about the confusion. I talked in the opening segment of my speech about the secrecy where the negotiations had been played out with this and the Liberals continued that. It is in direct contrast with what has been going on with the North American free trade agreement. Labour groups, environmental groups and even Canadian businesses themselves have been left in the dark as to which direction the Liberal government is going in. I am sympathetic to that claim. It is bang on, and it is something that we can rightfully criticize with the government's approach to trade.

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5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, there is a lot of positive news happening because of trade in the agricultural sector, and I am going to cite the pork industry that employs thousands of Manitobans. An excellent example is HyLife in Neepawa, which exports 95% and employs hundreds of Manitobans. If it were not for trade, the company would not exist. It provides a lot of good-paying jobs and contributes to the health and well-being of the community.

Would the member across the way not agree that Canada is a trading nation and in order to secure those markets into the future, having well-reasoned trade agreements between different nations is healthy for Canada? That is something our Prime Minister and our government is doing.

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5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, if only they were well-reasoned agreements.

I want to take this opportunity to identify that Canada's hog producers are going through a very rough patch right now. In Alberta, they have seen prices drop precipitously over the last few weeks. They are innocent bystanders of a trade war going on between the United States and China. I certainly hope that the Liberal government is there to support them because for any business to suffer price drops of that magnitude is an absolute calamity. I want to ensure that the government is there to support our hog producers.

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5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Madam Speaker, our government firmly believes that the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, the CPTPP, will make it possible to expand and diversify Canada's trade and investments in the fast-growing Asia-Pacific markets, and it will create greater economic prosperity for Canadians.

The agreement will guarantee that the benefits derived from trade will be widely shared, particularly by allowing small and medium-sized businesses, the SMEs, to easily capitalize on the opportunities created by the agreement.

Exports are vital to the health and vitality of Canadian businesses, and Canadian SMEs play a key role in the growth of Canada's trade and economy. In fact, SMEs are the backbone of the Canadian economy. They represent over 99% of all businesses, 90% of all private sector jobs, and 10.7 million workers. What is more, they generate nearly 40% of Canada's gross domestic product.

However, only 11% of Canadian SMEs take advantage of foreign markets, and our government is determined to foster conditions that will increase that percentage. Exports are vital to Canada's economic growth. Our government will help small businesses expand their operations to new markets abroad by promoting exports through the negotiation and implementation of free trade agreements such as the Canada-European Union Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement and now the CPTPP.

The CPTPP will enable Canadian SMEs to move into the dynamic Asia-Pacific market through agreements that seek to simplify the export process and increase SMEs' participation in global supply chains. This agreement will strengthen our economic ties with some of our existing free trade partners, such as Chile, Mexico, and Peru, while obtaining preferential access to the markets of seven new free trade partners, namely Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and Brunei.

In addition, the CPTPP will eliminate tariffs and improve access to all these markets for Canadian businesses, including SMEs. Once it is implemented, 86% of tariffs from signatory counties will be instantly eliminated, which will also apply to Canadian exports to CPTPP countries worth an average of $28.3 billion annually in the years 2015 through 2017. Once the agreement is fully implemented, signatory countries will eliminate 99% of tariffs, which will also include Canadian exports to CPTPP countries worth an average of $32 billion annually between 2015 and 2017.

This enhanced market access will make our SMEs more competitive and position them for success. This will also give Canadian SMEs greater opportunities to diversify their exports at a time when it is of critical importance to do so.

The agreement provides for deals on greater market access for our service sectors and financial services, as well as a comprehensive package of provisions on investment protections built on a strong investment dispute resolution mechanism. Those provisions will greatly benefit our SMEs, since non-tariff barriers have a disproportionate impact on small and medium-sized businesses.

The CPTPP offers a first in Canada when it comes to free trade agreements: it contains a chapter that specifically guarantees that small and medium-sized businesses can benefit from the opportunities the agreement creates. This separate chapter underscores the importance of SMEs, which are the backbone of our economy and a driver of economic growth.

These provisions will also guarantee that our business owners and small businesses have access to the information they need and will help Canadian businesses easily explore and enter into CPTPP markets as they prepare to achieve positive results.

Through a committee and co-operative mechanisms, CPTPP signatories will be able to share best practices on how to support their businesses through seminars, workshops, and other skills enhancement activities in order to help their businesses capitalize on the opportunities provided by this agreement.

The CPTPP will open up new market opportunities for Canadian businesses of all sizes, in all sectors, and in all regions of the country. In the coming months, we will be talking to small and medium-sized businesses across Canada to make sure they have the knowledge and tools they need to benefit from this historic accord.

At the same time, we will be working to help Canadian small businesses grow, expand their operations, boost their productivity, innovate, and explore export opportunities so they can thrive and create good middle-class jobs.

Asia is important to Canada and our small and medium-sized businesses. Asia's contribution to the global economy is growing, and our exports to the region have more than doubled.

The CPTPP is key to fulfilling our government's promise to diversify trade. It will enable Canadian businesses to pursue trade and investment opportunities in what is a dynamic and rapidly growing region.

Because Asia is so highly integrated and adaptable, access to new markets is just one way we will benefit from the CPTPP. The agreement will give Canadian businesses of all sizes a chance to hook into various regionally integrated value chains with global reach.

Ambitious agreements with high standards such as the CPTPP will help strengthen the international system founded on solid rules and institutions that support global supply chains, ensure that the rules are fair and maximize the benefits of trade for all.

By increasing in a responsible manner our economic ties with our Asian partners, we are keeping our promise to create opportunities for economic growth that will benefit Canada's middle class. This agreement will in fact create opportunities that help Canadian entrepreneurs and small and medium-sized companies to grow their operations and prosper, as well as create good jobs for the middle class.

We are here to help Canadians move forward, grow and be successful abroad while creating a good economic climate with durable sustainable growth for everyone.

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Conservative

Luc Berthold Conservative Mégantic—L'Érable, QC

Madam Speaker, I congratulate my colleague for her speech on the importance of market access for SMEs. There are several SMEs in Mégantic—L'Érable that, just like those in my colleague's riding, would like access to more markets in order to grow. Mine was once a mining region, primarily because of Thetford Mines. We exported to countries around the world, but we only had one product. Now our regions have many SMEs.

Canadian SMEs and large corporations must have the opportunity to enjoy all the benefits of the CPTPP and access to this new market. For that to happen, Canada must be among the first six countries to sign the agreement or it will only get the crumbs left by the first six signatory countries.

Unfortunately, in June, when we asked for a special summer sitting of the House of Commons, the government refused to expedite the ratification of the CPTPP. I do not understand why and I asked several questions about this today. I have a simple question for my colleague: why?

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Madam Speaker, we obviously have a legislative calendar, and extraordinary sittings require extraordinary reasons. I do not think that signing a free trade agreement constitutes an extraordinary reason. We are on schedule, and there is no reason to believe that we will not be among the first six signatory countries. We will do what is necessary. We started debating this bill today, and we want to fast-track it in the coming weeks because we believe it is very important.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Madam Speaker, we know that at least two of the countries that are participating in the CPTPP, Brunei and Malaysia, employ a form of sharia law that imposes severe bodily violence on people if they are members of the LGBTQ2 community. In fact, my understanding is that in Brunei members of those communities can be stoned to death simply for practising their sexual orientation.

Given that the Prime Minister has said that feminism and human rights are to be a cornerstone of his approach to foreign policy and trade, I am interested in my hon. colleague's opinion on whether she thinks the Government of Canada should be rewarding countries with preferential economic benefits if they have policies and laws in place that result in stoning members of the LGBTQ2 community to death for simply being who they are.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Madam Speaker, I do not think that trade alone would counter or resolve issues of human rights. The LGBTQ2 community is definitely one that is extremely vulnerable in the countries that the member mentioned.

Canada will always defend their rights. Perhaps providing them with economic outlays would be one form of helping. I am not pretending that it is the solution in any way, shape or form. We will continue to stand for their rights and to defend those rights.

However, I do not think we can exclude the possibility of entering an agreement with them when there are other countries around the table in this region that are targeted by this trade agreement and not just one or two countries.

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Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, the part that is most troublesome to many of us within the TPP is also a part that is coming up for negotiations in NAFTA, and that is what is called “investor-state dispute resolution” systems.

Strangely enough, Donald Trump has offered up chapter 11 of NAFTA and said that the U.S. would like to get rid of this. We should grab that with both hands and get rid of it. Instead, we are expanding it now and allowing the countries within the TPP region to have the same abilities to bring cases against Canada, initiated by foreign corporations against decisions made by our domestic governments or courts. We have a history of this now. We know very well that Canada loses and has multi-million dollar fines against it for decisions taken in accordance with our laws, in accordance with the rules of fair trade. I need to stress that. Members are confused on this point.

Investor-state agreements are not about Canada doing something wrong. They are private arbitrations, generally in secret, in the interest of corporate power and global corporate rule against Canadian sovereignty. Why would we want to extend that? Why do we want to protect it in NAFTA? Why should we extend it in the TPP?

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—Saint-Lambert, QC

Madam Speaker, I am totally unprepared to answer that question. I really have very little knowledge on that particular subject. I would by lying if I gave you an answer that I do not have. My apologies.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I just want to remind the member that she is to address comments to the Chair and not to individual members.