House of Commons Hansard #417 of the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

Topics

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, unlike the previous government, which cut $2 billion from defence every single year, running our military at a deficit, we are actually investing $63 billion in addition to what the Conservatives had committed to. We have a plan that is fully funded and costed. I would like to see what they and their leader are going to be costing out in their defence plan.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, will we be installing interoperability platforms in the Canadian surface combatants, much like Australia, Japan, South Korea and the U.S. have done, so we can have co-operative engagements with our allies?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, we work very closely with our allies, and interoperability is very important. We are already in discussions with our allies when it comes to the interoperability of our surface combatants.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, it is a yes or no question. Will we be installing the interoperability platform into our CSCs?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, interoperability is not just about a yes or no. It is a whole bunch of capabilities. When we look at our requirements, and interoperability is part of it, it is far more complex than that. Maybe that is one of the reasons the Conservatives never got anything done or any procurement project moving forward.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, is the intent to install the interoperability package before or after the building of the ships in the design?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, when it comes to interoperability, it is a requirement we have, for example for our radar systems and our weapons systems. There are many aspects to this when it comes to interoperability. The answer is yes. Interoperability is very important.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, would the minister confirm that the interoperability package preferred by the U.S. navy and our allies was suggested to our navy but withdrawn under pressure from Irving Shipbuilding, because it argued that it would create more delays in the program?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, as I stated, interoperability with our allies is very important. We are actually conducting missions all over the world with our navy. We are already discussing with allies what our interoperability will be and, more importantly, how to look at future threats. It is something we will get done.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, the government has announced that Irving will build a sixth AOPS at $800 million, double the cost of the first five, when the cost should be dropping as production gets more efficient. As per the RAND Corp. statement, there should be about a 20% drop. Why is the price tag for the sixth ship going from $400 million to $800 million?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, we should be celebrating the fact that we are buying a sixth AOPS. Unlike the Conservatives, who wanted five, we are actually purchasing a sixth. This is about providing good, well-paying jobs for middle-class Canadians and making sure that our navy has greater capability so it can protect our sovereignty.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, the government is looking at purchasing two additional AOPS on top of the sixth one announced because of a production gap at Irving. Would the minister advise whether there is still a production gap at Irving, despite the addition of a sixth AOPS?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, at National Defence, we are focused on making sure that we have the capabilities for our needs. I am very happy that we have signed for a sixth AOPS. I was proud to cut steel on the fourth AOPS about two weeks ago, and I met some of the workers there. I also want to state the tremendous work that they do in recruiting women, indigenous people and African Canadians into the program.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, what are the costs of the seventh and eighth proposed AOPS that the government is considering?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, we are purchasing a sixth AOPS. I am very proud of having an additional AOPS, and we look forward to the 15 surface combatants as well.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, according to the numbers used by the PBO and RAND Corp., the sixth AOPS should drop in cost to $320 million. Why is the government paying $800 million for the sixth one?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, we are very proud that when it comes to the funding of this project, it is fully funded. This is something that the previous government was not able to do. When we have the money, we give certainty to the Canadian Armed Forces that they are going to be looked after, and certainty to the employees as well.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, what is the justification for the plan behind the proposed seventh and eighth AOPS that had not been considered before, when we only needed five?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, I am very proud that we have signed for a sixth AOPS. I am very proud that we have money for 15 surface combatants as well. I want to highlight the fact that the previous government left enough money only for nine surface combatants, and we have fully funded that project through our defence policy.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, when journalists have contacted the minister's department with questions on Irving, the minister's department has repeatedly shared the question and the journalist's private information with Irving. Why?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, with regard to that issue, that has been rectified and the people have been spoken to.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Chair, the minister says “issue”. It has happened three times. Why is he referring to only one issue? Why is this a repeated problem within his ministry?

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, our department will make sure that we are open and transparent to Canadians. It is one of the reasons we work directly with industry. In fact, we opened up our bases not only to the media but also to members of Parliament. Under the previous government, the Minister of National Defence's approval was needed to visit a base. As soon as I took office, that was delegated down to the base commanders and commanding officers.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:45 p.m.

Kanata—Carleton Ontario

Liberal

Karen McCrimmon LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Mr. Chair, I am pleased to rise and speak to the important subject of diversity and inclusion in our Canadian Armed Forces. I will take the next 10 minutes to address how the Canadian Armed Forces fosters and encourages diversity so that our forces remain strong, serve our whole society and will endure in the future.

Unlike the previous government, which repeatedly cut support to the Canadian Armed Forces, we are ensuring that the Canadian Armed Forces has the right mix of people, equipment and training to meet the important demands placed upon it.

We recognize that diversity is an essential factor in overall mission success, and that is why we are committed to making progress on that issue. I personally know that the work done around an inclusive and collaborative decision-making table is improved by the diversity of its members. Whether that diversity is gender, identity, expression, orientation, ethnicity, language, experience, heritage or religion, each brings different perspectives that when added together will support better decisions, better plans and better strategies.

A diverse and inclusive force is more operationally effective. It improves how we understand the human dimension of conflict zones, affording greater access to communities.

In Afghanistan, for example, some of our women in uniform worked closely with local women to gather crucial intelligence, situational awareness and build relationships with local communities. Men could not have accessed that intelligence.

These are just some of the reasons that our defence policy of “Strong, Secure, Engaged” makes diverse perspectives a critical component in our decision-making. Our commitment to diversity includes growing the representation of women in the Canadian military to at least 25% of the total force by 2026.

Our government is committed to gender equality and to providing a work environment where women are welcomed, supported and respected. Increasing enrolment is a critical part of that commitment, and that is why we have announced initiatives that will draw on Canada's diversity, including increasing enrolment of women.

Knowing the operational and cultural value that women bring to our forces, Canada launched the second national action plan on women, peace and security in November 2017, with the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces as major partners. The plan prioritizes women's involvement in all of Canada's military activities.

We know that women and men, boys and girls all experience conflict differently. The action plan has bold objectives to advance gender equality and the leadership role of women and girls in all stages of conflict resolution and to protect their human rights throughout.

Canada is also expanding its influence and values on the world stage. In 2017, we hosted the United Nations Peacekeeping Defence Ministerial conference in Vancouver, where we launched the Vancouver principles to prevent the recruitment and use of child soldiers and the Elsie initiative to increase the participation of women in peacekeeping. Through the Elsie initiative for Women in Peace Operations, Canada works with the UN to integrate women's perspectives into peace processes, from conflict prevention and conflict resolution to reconciliation and economic recovery post-conflict. We are making sure that women's voices and different lived experiences are represented for meaningful participation in peace operations.

Notably, Canada is already a world leader in terms of the proportion of women in its military. For example, the number of women in senior leadership roles has almost doubled since 2015.

All Canadian Armed Forces occupations and environments are open to people of any gender, who are selected for training, promotions, postings, and career opportunities based on rank, qualifications, and merit.

The Canadian Armed Forces actively recruits qualified women for challenging career opportunities. Applicants interested in joining an under-strength occupation and applicants who help meet diversity objectives are processed in priority.

Of course, the forces will always have room for talented, motivated and qualified Canadians who meet requirements and standards for personnel selection, and all applicants' files are addressed with due diligence.

In addition to recruiting a more diverse workforce, Canadian Armed Forces members must all be properly equipped and cared for through the duration of their careers. That is why gender-based analysis-plus, GBA+, integration is now part of all defence team activities.

For example, the new Arctic and offshore patrol ships coming later this year will have single or double occupancy crew cabins and individual washroom facilities. This will allow for greater comfort, easier distribution of a mixed gender crew and accommodation of other specific needs. Additionally, the equipment is designed to be operated by a very broad range of physical body characteristics to accommodate members' size, strength and weight.

On a more sombre note, allow me to state the obvious. In our armed forces and everywhere else, every person deserves a professional environment in which he or she is treated with respect and dignity. Inappropriate sexual behaviour of any kind is completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Our government takes all allegations of sexual misconduct very seriously.

Our military faces well-known challenges that it is working hard to address, so it can recruit and retain more diverse members by fostering a culture based on trust, respect and dignity for everyone. The Canadian Armed Forces has taken significant steps to address all forms of sexual misconduct in its rank, but there is still much work to do.

Military leadership continues to press forward, understanding that people are at the heart of everything it does and that the military must exemplify the beliefs and values of the Canadians they serve.

It has also been important to address the anti-LGBTQ2 practices and policies of the past.

In March 2018, the Government of Canada signed the final settlement of the LGBT purge class action suit, providing up to $110 million dollars to compensate those federal public servants, members of the Canadian Armed Forces and the RCMP directly impacted by anti-LGBTQ2 practices. The Prime Minister formally apologized to those Canadians harmed by federally sanctioned practices.

We must also act to ensure a harassment and discrimination-free work environment at all times. That is why in January 2018, National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces launched the positive space initiative to promote a safe and inclusive work environment for all employees regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.

As part of the government's commitment to inclusion, National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces are enhancing relationships with indigenous communities. As the Prime Minister has said, no relationship is more important to our government than our relationship with first nations.

One way the Canadian Armed Forces makes important contributions to Canada's reconciliation with indigenous people is through occupational and leadership training and experience, all of which contributes to a renewed relationship.

The Canadian Forces aboriginal entry program provides indigenous people with an opportunity to get hands-on experience with military training, careers and the military lifestyle, with no obligation to join the forces. With the skills they develop, indigenous members and veterans can assist with economic governance and other priorities when they refocus these skills in their communities once they complete the programs or they can choose to continue serving in the regular or reserve force.

My time is limited and therefore I can only touch on some examples, but I would invite members to look at the good work the defence team has been doing when it comes to the Kapyong Barracks or how, in Canada's north, rangers work diligently to protect our sovereignty, perform search and rescue operations and carry out operations and patrols.

We know we need a Canadian solution that works for our unique country and our specific values. We can be confident that the leadership of the Canadian Armed Forces is fostering an inclusive, diverse and harassment-free work environment for all those who serve our country.

I would like to use the remainder of my time to ask questions of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence.

We know the Conservatives do not mind being associated with the likes of Faith Goldy and the Rebel, until they are caught that is.

Department of National Defence—Main Estimates, 2019-20Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

9:55 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!