House of Commons Hansard #35 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was chair.

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Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, working on negotiations for these agreements is a complex issue. It is something that requires ongoing negotiations. We are doing that. We have been working expeditiously with the first nations communities to reach agreements. We are looking at fisheries plans now. We will continue to do that. We know how important it is to get these agreements done, and I am committed to ensuring we get them there.

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7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, indigenous leaders have expressed concern, even calling for the need of peacekeepers. The Municipality of Barrington, commercial fishery representatives and even the premier of Nova Scotia have been critical of the minister's inaction.

When everyone was calling for her to act, why did she appoint a retired Liberal politician to take the lead for her?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, I have been involved in this file and engaged in it since day one. We have appointed a special representative to work with the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations and me. He is a neutral third party. He is there to bridge the gap between first nations communities and industry. This is actually something industry asked for.

We have full confidence in Mr. Surette. We will continue to work with him to make sure we are going forward in the right way. It is extremely important that commercial harvesters and indigenous people, who have fished side by side for generations, continue to do that. We are looking for the right path forward.

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7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, how many names were considered along side Mr. Surette's?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, I cannot speak to confidential negotiations on who was involved in that process. We are extremely proud of—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

The hon. Leader of the Opposition.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, my question was how many names did the minister consider for the special appointment before she appointed a former Liberal politician?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, Mr. Surette has a long-standing history of community advocacy. He is has been a well respected member in his community. He has worked in fisheries negotiations in the past. I have full confidence in his abilities, and I will continue to make sure we work closely with him to see what his report comes out—

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

The hon. Leader of the Opposition.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, I will chalk that response up to a whole-of-government approach to considering it. I hope people in Nova Scotia are seeing the minister's inability to respond to simple questions.

On September 16, the minister said that unauthorized fishing activity would not be tolerated. Of course, this was on the eve of the commencement of the commercial lobster fishery. Was she referring to the commercial fishery, and that she wanted it to stop in Nova Scotia?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, the Marshall decision is clear that first nation communities have a right to fish. We are working with those communities to make sure that we are able to implement that right. It is a critical piece of work for reconciliation, and it is a priority for this government.

We are working with communities to discuss their fishery plans now. We are moving forward with negotiations. It has been a positive process. We will continue to do the hard work necessary to make sure we have agreements in place.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

The hon. Leader of the Opposition has time for one last question.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:10 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Chair, it is perhaps fitting to end here. In the member's maiden speech, she said the commercial fishery was vitally important to rural Nova Scotia. In recent weeks, she has been complaining that it is unauthorized.

Does she understand why many constituents in Nova Scotia are disappointed with the minister?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, the commercial fishery in Nova Scotia is extremely important to our economic growth. It is important to our rural coastal communities. It is something I have stood behind since I was first elected, and I will continue to do that.

I do not appreciate the member opposite putting words in my mouth. I am extremely committed to making sure we find the right path forward, which not only addresses indigenous rights, but also makes sure we address the concerns from commercial harvesters.

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7:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Resuming debate, the hon. Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

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7:15 p.m.

South Shore—St. Margarets Nova Scotia

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan LiberalMinister of Fisheries

Mr. Chair, it is a pleasure to speak in the House today.

The primary reason I am here today is to discuss the spending plans for Fisheries and Oceans Canada for the 2020-21 fiscal year. In these main estimates, I am seeking a total of $3.5 billion, which represents a $469 million increase over last year. For the most part, this increase is primarily the result of new funding to advance reconciliation between the Crown and indigenous peoples by implementing agreements and treaties, as well as engaging with indigenous communities and stakeholders on fisheries policy.

It also represents incremental funding to continue the Canadian Coast Guard's fleet recapitalization projects, which will help to modernize the fleet and extend the life of its existing vessels, ensuring that the Coast Guard can continue to deliver critical services in support of the safety of Canada's coasts, waterways and oceans.

Planned spending will help my department provide important economic opportunities to Canadians in coastal communities, sustain and rebuild fisheries to ensure that they remain healthy for future generations, and protect and promote our oceans, coasts and waterways.

As the federal minister responsible for fisheries and oceans, I am responsible for ensuring that our marine resources are managed for the long term and in the public interest. It is also incumbent upon me to advance Canada's commitment to reconciliation by ensuring that my department works in close collaboration with indigenous peoples to manage Canada's fisheries.

This can only be done through the co-development of new solutions that are consistent with the constitutional protections provided to aboriginal and treaty rights, and meaningfully advance Canada's important relationships with indigenous peoples, while ensuring a stable, predictable fishery for all participants.

Funding for reconciliation on indigenous rights issues will be used to implement reconciliation agreements and treaties, as well as engage with indigenous communities and stakeholders on fisheries policy. These landmark agreements are designed to help close economic gaps through the development of partnerships and co-management regimes, and by increasing aboriginal access to fisheries licences and quotas, thereby augmenting their participation in fishing related activities.

Our government is committed to working alongside indigenous peoples to collaboratively manage this vital resource and ensure that as stewards of our land and waters they have a rightful place at the table when it comes to the management of our fisheries.

One of the most important priorities is restoring the health of wild salmon stocks and other important fish stocks across Canada. As members know, our government announced an additional $107 million to support the implementation of stock assessment and rebuilding provisions in the renewed fisheries act to sustain Canada's wild fish stocks.

We also launched the B.C. salmon restoration and innovation fund and the Quebec fisheries fund, both modelled on the very successful Atlantic fisheries fund to support projects focused on building resilience thorough restoration, promotion of science partnerships, innovation and adoptive technologies.

Our government is also making an additional contribution of $5 million to the Pacific Salmon Endowment Fund Society to support the important work of the Pacific Salmon Foundation to engage community groups in salmon conservation. These new funds will enable the foundation to be even more effective going forward.

These are among many activities that support our wild salmon policy implementation plan over the next five years to support important changes to the management of our aquaculture policies.

Keeping mariners safe and protecting our marine environment is a duty we entrust to the brave women and men in the Canadian Coast Guard. They are the backbone of one of the strongest marine safety systems in the world. Our government is committed to providing the Coast Guard with the tools it needs to keep Canadians safe and keep our economy moving.

In 2019, we announced the largest investment ever made to renew the Coast Guard fleet with 24 new large ships, 16 multi-purpose vessels, two Arctic offshore patrol ships, and six program icebreakers.

Additionally, our government also announced investments of over $2 billion for the comprehensive vessel life extension program for the Coast Guard's existing fleet. Building whole new classes of vessels takes a great deal of time, planning, money and effort. Repairs, refits and vessel life extension work must be carried out on the existing fleet until new ships are delivered under the national shipbuilding strategy.

We recently marked the completion of the first class of ships built under Canada national shipbuilding strategy with the acceptance of three offshore fishery science vessels. These are Canada's first-ever vessels purposely designed and built for vital offshore fisheries research, science and monitoring.

The Canadian Coast Guard would not be what it is today without the tremendous support of Canada's shipbuilding and marine industry, which fuels innovation and skills development, and creates new opportunities for workers and businesses across the country.

Our significant commitment to renew the Coast Guard fleet will provide our crews with state-of-the-art equipment and preserve the world-class marine safety regime that Canada enjoys.

On oceans protection, our government has exceeded its marine conservation targets to protect 10% of our oceans by the end of 2020. We are at nearly 14% now and already working toward our 25% target by 2025. That is with real protections that will have biodiversity benefits for generations to come.

This past summer, Canada joined the United Kingdom's global ocean alliance. One of the key focuses of this alliance is advocating for the adoption of the global target of 30% by 2030, which is a key pillar of next year's Convention on Biological Diversity, COP 15 meeting. Our historic $1.5-billion oceans protection plan is creating a world-leading marine safety system, restoring and protecting marine and coastal ecosystems and habitats, enhancing environmental and local emergency response, and strengthening our ability to trade with confidence and safety.

As we go forward, we will accelerate the use of tools such as marine spatial planning to allow us to plan our ocean spaces in collaboration with provincial and territorial partners, indigenous peoples, and industry and environmental stakeholders. Our government has invested in Canada's ocean supercluster, composed of businesses, academia and non-profits, to accelerate innovation in sustainable economic growth in our oceans. We are mobilizing internationally to deliver the scientific knowledge, innovation and capacity needed to strengthen oceans protection because science and innovation will be the critical pillar of the strong, blue economy.

Our government is committed to promoting economic opportunities for Canadians while ensuring our oceans and resources remain healthy for future generations. As part of the approval of the Trans Mountain expansion project, our government put forward eight accommodation measures to address concerns raised by indigenous peoples.

We are implementing four of these measures, which focus on building capacity and enhancing long-term relationships with indigenous groups. These measures seek to advance shared objectives for maintaining and restoring fish habitat, understanding and monitoring the cumulative effects and improving spill prevention response capacity. I look forward to sharing more about these and other developments with my fellow parliamentarians in the months ahead.

Our nation's prosperity depends on making sure that the benefits of growing the economy are felt by more and more people with good, well-paying jobs for the middle class. We are well positioned to deliver on the government's priorities, and the investments I have mentioned will allow DFO and the Coast Guard to continue to carry out the important work of service to Canadians.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

We have just over seven minutes remaining in this time slot for questions. I will note for hon. members that this is a unique part of this evening's format, where normally the minister herself is receiving questions. When she takes a speaking slot, obviously she cannot pose questions to herself. Therefore, I will receive questions from the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and then in all other subsequent rounds, regardless of which member is asking questions, questions will be directed to either to the minister or her parliamentary secretary.

We will go the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

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7:20 p.m.

Burnaby North—Seymour B.C.

Liberal

Terry Beech LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries

Mr. Chair, British Columbia is home to a significant number of recreational fishers who drive the economies of small coastal communities. In order to continue to thrive, they need access and opportunity to fish. Billions of dollars of economic activity depend on it and is at risk if we do not take action.

I had the opportunity recently to go out with a group of recreational fishers on Vancouver Island and talk about how we as a federal government can help. They fully recognize that there are stocks of concern and that we are having to make some very tough decisions to ensure that there are more fish in the water for the benefit of future generations. One solution they continue to raise with me and I know they have raised with the minister is a mark-selective fishery. The idea seems to have a lot of merit and can contribute significantly to providing greater access and opportunity while we work on longer-term restorative measures.

Could the minister take this opportunity to elaborate on what she and/or the department is doing to consider this idea and potentially implement it going forward and could she also provide any insight into any complicating factors that might have to be figured out prior to implementing such a fishery?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, first of all, I support exploring a mark-selective fishery. I understand how important the public fishery is to B.C.'s economy. A number of small businesses, whether tour guides or lodges, have suffered recently and not only due to the loss of tourism this year, but also due to the loss of the wild salmon. The cascading implications have not just been on them, but on first nations commercial harvesters and so many more.

A mark-selective fishery is one possible option that can be explored in terms of fish retention while reducing impacts to wild stocks. Indeed, there is no smoking gun when it comes to the salmon returns and making sure that we are seeing it last for years to come.

I am glad to say that my department is currently reviewing information to support the decision-making on potential expansion of the mark-selective fishery. There are vital concerns that need to be thoroughly understood, though. For instance, the mark-selective fisheries will still encounter wild Chinook. Release mortalities of stock concern needs to be accounted for to ensure that the mark-selective fisheries do not adversely impact the wild stocks.

I have been speaking with sports fishers in B.C., as well as environmental organizations. I have heard how a mark-selective fishery can offer potential benefits. I fully want to make sure that we continue to speak to these organizations to fully understand the issues of the potential, but we also need to know what we need to do to mitigate the concerns that we are also hearing.

To do this work, DFO is going to undertake additional consultations to further inform our decision-making and we will do everything we can to work with these communities to address the concerns that we are hearing.

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7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Mr. Chair, British Columbia has many iconic species that call our coastal waters home, but none is more iconic or beloved than our southern resident killer whales. I have had an opportunity to work on our government's whale restoration program from various angles in DFO in science and in transport.

Could the minister update this committee on the measures our government is taking to make sure this species is better positioned to thrive and increase its populations going forward?

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Mr. Chair, our government is committed to the protection and recovery of the iconic southern resident killer whales. In recent years we have taken significant steps to address the key threats to their survival. This May, we introduced measures focused on increasing prey availability and reducing the physical and acoustic disturbances, building on our efforts from last year.

These measures are informed by discussions with indigenous communities, environment, industry and with the governments of B.C. and the U.S. It was extremely important to have input from the public. We are going to continue to work with key partners and stakeholders to make sure we do protect these iconic creatures.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Mr. Chair, the minister mentioned this in her speech. Many wild Pacific salmon populations are at historic lows. This is a species that is also iconic to British Columbia and is a part of our cultural identity. There is perhaps no other species in the country that demonstrates so easily how the health of our environment and the health of our economy go hand in hand.

I would like to know how much has been invested to support British Columbia's salmon populations and what projects the government is working on to return wild salmon stocks to levels of traditional abundance.

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7:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, the protection of the wild Pacific salmon stocks is a priority for our government. We have been working with a number of organizations through the B.C. SRIF program to make sure we are working toward habitat restoration. We have also invested in Big Bar, which was a significant landslide last year that seriously impacted the Fraser River salmon.

We are making sure we are doing everything possible to face these challenges head-on. As I have said, there is no one solution to the declining stocks. We are taking a number of different initiatives to make sure we address this concern. We know how important it is to the people of B.C. and to the culture of B.C.

It is not enough to just protect the fish that are still there. We need to make sure we are growing them to abundance, and that is the goal.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Madam Chair, I know I have been very B.C. centric in my questions so far, and I am going to get a second chance later this evening. Perhaps I could ask the minister how important small craft harbours are to this country and to her personally.

Fisheries and Oceans—Main Estimates, 2020-21Business of SupplyGovernment Orders

7:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bernadette Jordan Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Chair, small craft harbours are extremely important. They are the vital infrastructure that keep our fishery running. We need to make sure we are doing everything. Our government has invested significantly in small craft harbours. I know how important they are to our rural coastal communities and I will continue to work to make sure we are addressing the gaps we are seeing in our small craft harbours.