House of Commons Hansard #49 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was broken.

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Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:35 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I would simply like to point out to my colleague that one thing that is undeniable today is the climate crisis. Any reservations I have about the oil and gas sector are related to the climate crisis.

My colleague used aluminum as an example. It is important to note that aluminum produced in Quebec is the greenest aluminum in the world, the aluminum with the lowest carbon footprint in the world.

Even in the United States, which is a major oil producer, Mr. Biden has signed an executive order that will ban drilling on all public lands. Even the U.S., which is one of the biggest polluters, is decarbonizing its economy. That is what is happening. It is going to rejoin the Paris Agreement. I think Canada needs to do the same thing. Otherwise, we are putting off a major structural problem. Albertans will pay the price sooner or later. It is unfortunate, but that is the reality.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:35 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his speech, as we sit on the natural resources committee together and I appreciate what he has to say.

My colleague mentioned the fact the Liberal government has purchased the Trans Mountain pipeline for $4.5 billion. Apparently, we are going to have to spend another $12.5 billion at least to build that. The Kenney government in Alberta has invested billions in the Keystone XL pipeline. Both of these issues came up when these pipeline companies indicated that they might walk away from these projects.

I wonder if my colleague would comment on this fact. If the government wants to have a credible energy transition plan, does he not agree that it has to end fossil fuel subsidies and instead invest those funds into that transition to a new low-carbon economy and create jobs for those workers in the oil patch?

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:40 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I completely agree with my colleague from the Standing Committee on Natural Resources.

There are many solutions. The forestry industry is probably the sector best placed to reduce greenhouse gases. As everyone knows, forests are carbon sinks. They can be used to sequester carbon. Forests can be used in new technologies that allow us to replace plastics and nearly all petrochemical products with a much smaller carbon footprint compared to the oil and gas industry.

Yes, I agree with my colleague.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:40 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Madam Speaker, once again, I thank my colleague for the excellent work he does here in the House. His speech was extraordinary.

The Conservatives' position on the oil and gas industry is clear. However, things are a little less clear on the other side of the House. On November 6, 2015, the member for Laurier—Sainte-Marie, who happens to be the heritage minister, saluted the Obama administration's decision to say no to the Keystone XL project. That changed under the Trump administration, but the Biden administration has now taken over. It is not quite clear whether the Liberals are happy that Keystone XL will not happen.

I would like to know what my colleague thinks about the Liberals' flip-flopping on this issue.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:40 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank the hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean, who is always on point. I do not know him very well, but I would certainly like to get to know him better.

This ties into what I was saying in my introduction. Unfortunately, I get the impression that the Liberal Party does not listen to dissenting voices. That voice could have come from the Minister of Canadian Heritage, since he was part of that green environmental movement. I get the impression that there is currently a dogma in the Canadian federation when it comes to the oil and gas industry, particularly within the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:40 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I will start off by saying that I really did not think my first speech of 2021 would be given during an emergency debate about a decision our American neighbours made. I would have preferred an emergency debate about a green, fair recovery. I think that would be more apropos, and that is what we should be aiming for.

Of course, U.S. President Joe Biden's wise decision is not uncontroversial. Many people are unhappy about it, including the Premier of Alberta, and it has left many politicians feeling perplexed even though President Biden made promises about the project during his election campaign and kept them. For years, Joe Biden has made no bones about his position on the project and his commitment to protecting the environment.

His decision, the reason we are still here this evening, is a clear break with the administration of his predecessor, Donald Trump, on the issue of fighting climate change. It should come as no surprise to anyone. Our climate reality is nothing short of critical, and anyone who believes the experts, the science and the data collected around the world on this subject welcomes Joe Biden's decision as excellent news.

However, the problem—and I am not sure how to explain it anymore—is that while the Keystone XL project does create jobs, it is an extension of an existing pipeline. We do not need to expand pipeline networks, but rather transition away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible.

These past few months I have already talked about the impressive, even encouraging, number of central banks and private investors that have definitively shifted their funds towards other energy portfolios. Instead of starting over again, let us turn our attention to another subject, namely the uneasiness that some people feel about this courageous decision.

The Prime Minister is disappointed, but should he not be thrilled about such a decision being prioritized? After all, this makes the new President of the United States an unequivocal ally of the man who, here in Canada, presents himself as a champion for climate change. Instead, the Prime Minister has claimed that the last five years have shown that investing in oil and gas and fighting climate change can go hand in hand. It is incredible to me that anyone would put all of that in the same sentence.

We think President Biden has guts because this decision comes with its share of controversy and sticking points. At least he has the courage to make fighting climate change a priority in his administration, right behind dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

As we know, the pandemic is worrisome in the United States. The lax attitude of the previous administration will have consequences, as will Trump's climate change denial. The U.S. economy will go through dark periods and U.S. and Canadian elected officials will have to devote a lot of attention to ensuring employment stability. We want jobs and we do not want to see Albertans or anyone else suffer as a result of this project ending, although that is inevitable I am afraid.

However, I wonder why Alberta Premier Jason Kenney sunk so much public money into this project. Why did he not instead invest that money in retraining workers in the oil and gas sector and developing geothermal energy? How could he not know the current extent of climate change and the scientific projections of what lies ahead for us? How could he not know that the good old days of developing crude bitumen, the most polluting fossil fuel there is, are over?

President Biden's decision is based on two things. First, he has real concerns about climate change. Second, domestic production in the United States makes them 95% independent so the existing pipelines are sufficient. As far as the well-paying, unionized jobs that the leader of the official opposition was talking about are concerned, that is on Mr. Kenney and TransCanada PipeLines. In the United States, the Biden administration has announced a $2-trillion-U.S. climate plan.

The will to innovate and develop certain sectors of the economy will foster the creation of different jobs that will likely be compatible with the trades required for Keystone XL. I have already spoken about skills used in the fossil fuel sector that are transferable to renewable energies such as geothermal, solar and wind. I wager that American teams will quickly move to plan B, which will promote a greener economy.

I have trouble understanding what we are accomplishing by holding an emergency debate on a decision made by President Biden. To be honest, I want to ask my hon. colleagues to not just respect the new president's commendable decision, but to be inspired by it. Yes, we should be inspired. When a promise is made, it must be kept. Even if it is not popular, a promise must be kept if the person who made it is elected.

For more than 60 years, Alberta's economy has been used to turn profits for oil companies and create prosperity for Albertans. However, this prosperity is coming to an end. Successive governments all bet on a resource that they believed to be inexhaustible. Even the Heritage Savings Trust Fund did so, but I think we would feel discouraged if we were to talk about it. Did Mr. Kenney fail to carefully think through his commitments? When it comes to energy and natural resources, public money should only be used to accelerate the transition to renewable energy.

I have news for my colleagues who say that Biden's decision weakened our trade relations with our neighbours. Access to renewable energy resources and expertise will be a perfect fit for the Americans. The daily newspaper Le Devoir explored this at length in its “perspectives” column last Saturday. Although it is a daunting task, greening the U.S. economy is not impossible. A challenge of this magnitude ought not be politicized, and the same could be said for the Canadian economy. This welcome transformation of the world's largest economy could also stimulate the development of renewable energy in Canada. There you have it; that is all that needs to be said, at least for tonight.

Could we listen to reason and to science, research, international organizations, experts who protect our environment, as well as investors and banks? The oil sands are finished.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, first, to my kids Matthew and Emerson, who are watching while eating supper at home, good night, guys.

To the substance of this debate, I find it astounding that the Bloc Québécois, a party that its members say respects provincial jurisdiction, would, in the last two speeches, outline such a number of unbelievable interventions into that provincial jurisdiction by saying things like the oil industry is doomed to fail and thanking us for equalization but then saying that our prosperity is coming to an end.

I find it interesting that they seem to want to delegitimize this debate by saying it is not important because they are keeping an election promise, but do members know another election promise, a promise that was kept by the former American administration? It was steel and aluminum tariffs. In this House, we fought for Quebec, so it is time for Quebec to figure out that we need to fight for Alberta's best interests.

I know that there are Conservative colleagues from Quebec who do that each and every day, because when an industry like oil and gas thrives in this country, the entire country thrives, just like the industries in Quebec that can also thrive, making a federation that is supposed to work. It is this targeting of various industries that we see today that is absolutely unbelievable.

How can the member justify this hypocrisy?

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:50 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank the member for his question.

I understand that he might be troubled by what we are saying. He said that we are a federation. I am tempted to respond to that by saying that we are a planet and that things are not going well at all on this planet. Climate change is the biggest challenge that humanity has faced in thousands of years. We cannot ignore it. Of the past 22 years, the last 20 were the hottest ever recorded by NASA, by the American organization responsible for climate, by meteorologists in Japan and by all scientists. That is what we are talking about, and that is why we are saying that we do not own this planet. We just live here and we need to leave something viable for future generations. The oil sands and fossil fuel industry is an industry of the past.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

January 25th, 2021 / 7:50 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I want to share a different perspective with the member. One of the nice things about being in a federal system is that there is a high sense of co-operation and effort by different levels of government to try to advance economies throughout the country. The Bloc could be more sensitive to what is happening in the Prairies, as there is a Prairies reality, and recognize that at the end of the day, as parliamentarians we should be attempting to contribute to making all regions of our country healthier places.

I am passionate about the aerospace industry in the province of Quebec, for example, and will continue to advocate for a healthy aerospace industry. I am equally concerned with natural resources or commodity prices and will advocate for good, sound policy there.

I wonder if the member feels any obligation as a member of Parliament to recognize the contributions that all our different regions contribute to our society as a whole. If so, how does she feel her comments today—

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I have to give the hon. member a chance to answer.

The hon. member for Repentigny.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:55 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question, but he should not start on the aerospace industry again because debate will never end this evening.

We are very aware of the major problems facing Alberta's workers and families. For that reason, the Bloc Québécois is proposing to take the $12 billion that would be invested in Trans Mountain and give them to Alberta, the province most dependent on fossil fuels and the province that emits the most greenhouse gases. That is what we call solidarity.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

7:55 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, I want to start by saying that I will be splitting my time with the member for Elmwood—Transcona.

We are meeting here this evening to debate the significance of the decision by President Biden to cancel the permits for the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have provided an increased capacity for shipments from Alberta to refineries on the U.S. Gulf coast.

The Liberals and the Conservatives both claim that this will be a serious blow to the Alberta economy. I think the minister, with maybe a bit of Newfoundland hyperbole, said it was going to be an existential blow. While it is certainly true that the oil sector in Alberta has suffered a number of blows that have impacted tens of thousands of workers over the past six or seven years, mainly involving the world oil price and global investments, it is clear that this is not one of them.

I think everyone in the debate today would agree that we must act quickly to ensure that workers in the oil sector can find jobs that they can count on over the coming years. The question, then, is this: What actions will produce those long-lasting jobs for the future? Will building more pipelines produce those jobs? Or should we be creating jobs to transition out of the fossil fuel industry into a future that tackles climate change with bold investments in energy efficiency, oil and gas well cleanup and clean-energy technologies?

As members may guess, I think that doubling down on pipelines is a waste of time, a waste of money and, most of all, a huge disservice to the future of oil patch workers. I would like to take a bit of time to explain why.

In 2014, oil prices dropped from about $100 a barrel to the $40 or $50 range. Those prices tumbled further last year as COVID hit, but have since recovered to around $50. Over the past five years, I have heard at committee from many top oil executives about their needs in the sector. When l have asked them what prices we need to make new projects financially viable, the answers have always been around $70 or $80. I do not think there is a single analyst in the world who would predict that we will see prices in that range over the next 20 years.

When we had Irving Oil before the committee in the last Parliament, witnesses were asked whether they would build new refinery capacity for Alberta bitumen if the energy east pipeline was built to tidewater in New Brunswick. Their reply was basically they would have to look at the economic viability of that.

However, it is not just low prices that have affected the oil sector. Projections for future oil demand have fallen every year, and as those demand projections fall, investors have become very concerned about putting significant money into big new projects that cost billions of dollars and take decades to pay off. They are happy to put money into companies that are actively producing oil, but not into new projects.

We have seen this in big companies, like Total, one of the biggest companies in France, which wrote down over $9 billion of oil sands assets last year, stranded assets that it figures it will never be able to viably develop. This is not because of lack of pipelines, but because of lack of demand.

We will need oil over the next 30 years at least, but we will not need any more of it than we are already producing. All these big pipeline projects are expansion projects. Keystone XL, the Trans Mountain expansion and the Enbridge Line 3 expansion are based on the premise that oil sands production of expensive, difficult-to-refine oil will boom during a time when the world is awash in cheap oil.

More and more, we are seeing that this future is very unlikely. Just before Christmas, the Canada Energy Regulator put out its report on Canada's energy future. For the first time, it projected oil demand into the future based on the assumption that Canada and other countries will actually try to tackle climate change. This so-called evolving scenario was based on Canada's announced policies to fight climate change, not policies that will get us to net zero by 2050. The CER did not go that far, but these policies would at least recognize that we had to move in that direction.

Under those assumptions the report showed that oil sands production in Canada would plateau very quickly and that only one of those three pipelines would be needed to accommodate all further production increases. Since Line 3 is scheduled to be online later this year, it follows that Keystone XL will not be needed by Canada's oil producers. The Trans Mountain expansion will not be needed, nor will expanded rail transport.

When I last spoke with Canadian pipeline industry representatives, I asked them how much more capacity we needed to transport Canadian oil. They said that Line 3 would fix all our needs with respect to the capacity constraints we have been seeing.

The narrative we hear tonight is that if only we had Keystone XL, all would be well with the oil industry; if only we had the Trans Mountain expansion, all would be well. It is clear that this is simply not the case. Even industry analysts know this well. Rystad Energy, a respected Norwegian analyst of the global oil sector, notes that shutting down the Keystone project would have almost no effect on the Canadian oil production sector, as we simply have enough capacity lined up.

What should we be doing to help the tens of thousands of oil industry workers who have lost their jobs? We should be creating tens of thousands of jobs now, not next year and not in five years. If we respect the workers who have lost jobs, that is what we have to do, and we can do that with a major effort to clean up oil and gas wells.

The federal government made a start to that last year, but we really have to ramp that up. We could create good jobs across the country in energy-efficiency efforts. The government's plan in this regard is the $2 billion that was announced in the economic statement before Christmas. However, Efficiency Canada has recommended spending 10 times that to ensure our buildings are energy efficient by 2050. These jobs would be the same jobs that are being lost in the oil sector as new projects are scaled back, for welders, electricians, carpenters, plumbers and more.

Estimates show that even if we met the old goals of the pan-Canadian framework for energy efficiency, we would create over a million jobs. These are of course jobs in clean energy and clean technology, good jobs that closely match the jobs that have been lost.

This is what we should be talking about when talking to the United States government. This is where Canadian industries can cash in on the huge expenditures the U.S. and countries around the world are talking about. If we want to negotiate with the U.S. on future trade, let us talk about where the future is going as far as technology goes. Let us make sure that Canada has access to the ambitious programs that the Biden administration has planned in sectors where Canada is already experienced and is often leading the way, like hydrogen technology, electric vehicle manufacturing and clean energy.

This is where the puck is going and this is where we need to go with our investments and policies. This is where good jobs are going to be created. If we respect the workers who are looking desperately for those jobs, this is what we need to do. Another pipeline will not get us there.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8 p.m.

Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I really appreciate a lot of the things my colleague said when he talked about economic viability, because economic viability is what puts these projects on the page, first of all.

What makes things uneconomically viable in Canada is a lack of a regulatory outcome, which we have here, although it is a border issue. That is what is holding projects back in Canada more than anything else.

My colleague talked about the expensive, difficult oil in Canada in a world that is awash in cheap oil. Cheap oil from around the world is cheaper than Canadian oil because it does not adhere to the same environmental and ethical standards. Also, it often comes from regimes that we do not want to have more dominance on the world stage.

Has the member thought about, in a world context, where demand is going and where we will have to source non-environmentally friendly oil from for the next 30 to 40 years?

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, with regard to the economics of Canadian oil, most of it has to be burned out of the oil sands in Alberta, which automatically makes it more expensive. I know that cost has been coming down and the Alberta industry has been working hard to bring down greenhouse gas emissions from that process, but that is the big difference in bringing down the price of Canadian oil. That is why the Biden administration cancelled those permits. It was for no other reason than the fact that, on average, Canadian oil coming out of the oil sands produces about 73 kilograms of carbon dioxide per barrel compared with about 19 kilograms of carbon dioxide for U.S. shale oil. That is one of the differences.

Yes, those numbers have been coming down, both in price and greenhouse gas emissions, but they are still above the world level in many cases. When you are competing against—

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I thank the member for his intervention today. It was a very honest, sobering look at the reality and economics of what is going on.

Twenty years ago, there were virtually no electric cars. Now, 7% or 8% of the cars sold in the world run on electricity and do not require gasoline. I drove here today from my riding and I will drive home without using any gasoline. Despite the fact that we are going to rely on oil for a long time into the future, there is obviously going to be some adjustment to the market, which the member rightly pointed out.

The member touched on what to do to help those who are particularly affected by this by providing them with new job opportunities. Can he expand on that and comment on where he sees that going and perhaps in what sectors of the economy?

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, I could talk all day about this.

One of the things I mentioned was in the energy efficiency space, where we have not just for home retrofits. I am happy that the government basically brought back the Harper-era ecoENERGY retrofit program with an investment of $1 billion or so. That is great, but it is not where we need to go if we want to have all of our buildings energy efficient by 2050. If we want to meet that net-zero target by 2050, we have to invest $20 billion and employ a lot of people, and we need to train those people.

There is a great program at the Okanagan College in my home town here in Penticton that trains people in sustainable building. That is one area where we could create, as I said, one million good jobs across this country, if we wanted to, that would closely match those lost in the oil industry as these projects have been scaled back.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Madam Speaker, as the granddaughter of one of the notorious McCoy brothers who helped build the oil and gas sector in Alberta, as the daughter of a former trucker who worked in the oil patch making sure that my brothers and I had what we needed to thrive, as the sister of a heavy equipment cleaner and the wife of someone who is employed in the pipeline business, no one has to tell me how important oil and gas has been to Alberta.

I grew up with truckers and oilmen sitting around my kitchen table, and I am so proud of these hard-working Albertans who helped build our province and our nation. Generations of Albertans have enjoyed the prosperity that has come from this natural resource, and Alberta has thrived as a result. I am proud of the contributions Alberta has made to our country and the generations of Canadians who have also benefited from our oil and gas sector. However, the past is not the future and it is not even the present in Alberta right now. In Alberta, folks are losing their jobs and have been for years. It is devastating and I am completely gutted when I think of the Alberta families that are suffering.

Climate change is real. In fact, climate change is the most profound threat of our time and we cannot stick our head in the sand and pretend otherwise. As the world reckons with global climate change and turns away from fossil fuels to lower carbon forms of energy, Alberta is facing an economic calamity and instead of taking climate change seriously, instead of showing global investors that Alberta has a legitimate and robust climate strategy, a strategy that corporations like Cenovus, Shell and Total have called for, Jason Kenney and the Conservatives just keep yelling like spoiled children that it is not fair.

Alberta needs an economy that does not rely so heavily on one resource sector. Albertans have lived through boom and bust cycles for generations, and now we know once and for all that the next boom is not going to come. It is not going to come like it did the past. Even if oil and gas continue at 100% capacity, the jobs are not there. The sector is automating. When we hear catch phrases like “efficiencies”, it means there are fewer jobs for Alberta workers, fewer jobs for hard-working Albertans and their families, and everyone in this room knows that.

We have a choice to make. We can put on blinders and double down on the past, or we can work to ensure that Canadian workers have a future. Jason Kenney is doubling down on the past. He is betting on coal and putting the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains at risk. For a handful of short-term jobs, he is selling off our iconic Rocky Mountains to an Australian billionaire. He is risking the livelihoods of ranchers, farmers and tourism operators. He is risking the endangered species that people travel from around the world to see. He is risking the water, the very water that people in southern Alberta need to survive.

He is taking a gamble with Alberta resources, and I have to say as an Albertan who deeply loves my province, Mr. Kenney has a gambling problem and I am tired of his using Alberta taxpayer dollars to pay his bad gambling debts. He gambled somewhere between $1.5 billion and $6 billion of Alberta's money on Donald Trump. We do not know yet because he will not tell us, but remember that when Jason Kenney gambled on Donald Trump, he did not gamble his own money, but ours, and when he lost that gamble, when he lost that money, he did not lose his money, but ours. Let that sink in. The premier of Alberta gambled our money on the hopes that a racist, misogynistic, horrible human being would win the election in the United States of America. That was his job plan for Alberta. That was his plan to get jobs for workers in my province. Now he wants to start a trade war with the U.S., the customer for 95% of our energy exports.

Enough is enough. Alberta does not need a trade war with the United States. Alberta needs jobs now and a path to the future.

No one was surprised when President Biden cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline expansion. In fact, anyone who thought differently was either lying to themselves or lying to Canadians. Biden told us he was going to cancel it. Biden was Obama's vice-president and Obama told us he was going to cancel it. Trump did not even get it built.

The reason Jason Kenney threw billions of taxpayer dollars at the project was that smart money, investor money, was not prepared to invest in it. Pumping more and more public money into dying projects that investors will no longer support is not the way to give Albertans a future. Helping Alberta to diversify our economy is the only way we can secure future prosperity, including refining and upgrading our products, investing in well reclamation, investing in hydrogen and other energy alternatives.

There are amazing opportunities available if we just have the imagination, intelligence and the courage to take advantage of them. Generations of Canadians have benefited from Albertans past, and it is time for Canadians to help Alberta create a new future. It is time for Trudeau and the Liberals to actually do something for Albertans. I have stood in this House—

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:15 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I remind the hon. member not to use members' names, please.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:15 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

My apologies, Madam Speaker.

I have stood in the House time and time again calling on the government to invest in Alberta, and I am sure that my Conservative colleagues in the House agree with me when I say that Albertans have been left out in the cold. Albertans have been abandoned by their federal government and are rightfully angry.

I know people are hurting all across Canada. COVID-19 has taken our loved ones and wreaked havoc with our economy. In Alberta, the damage that COVID-19 has caused is just the tip of the iceberg. Prior to COVID-19, Alberta was headed for an economic crisis, with the highest unemployment rates in the country and an economy built on a plummeting price of oil. None of that has changed.

Albertans were hurting before the pandemic and Albertans will still be hurting long after this pandemic is over. Last week, I met with workers from the building trades who told me that 50% of them are out of work. Imagine knowing that when this horrible nightmare of COVID-19 is over, people will still have nothing to go back to, that their future will be just as bleak.

Instead of fighting with our most important customer over a pipeline that stands to create fewer than 2,000 Albertan jobs, I am asking the government to help Alberta diversify. I am asking the government to partner with Albertans to rebuild and diversify our economy. I am asking the government to create jobs in Alberta in more sustainable sectors of our economy like agriculture, food products and tourism.

We are at a critical point in our history. Will we help Alberta transition? Will we create a future for my province or will we just abandon it to the likes of Jason Kenney? Alberta workers are waiting for the government's answer.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, I will remind the member for Edmonton Strathcona that the eastern slopes application was made under her junior party's government of the former premier, Rachel Notley, who was not re-elected in the last Alberta provincial election.

I find it very interesting and I will point out a great ideological divide that seems to exist between the NDP provincially in Alberta and the NDP that sits in the House of which the member is a part. To clarify one piece of evidence here, in the NDP convention, which I will paraphrase, it says that where there be a conflict of policy, the ones here get to supersede Alberta or provincial jurisdiction.

Is the member saying to Rachel Notley and the opposition in Alberta that they do not support the pipeline either? They have been saying something very different in the news over the last week.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:15 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Madam Speaker, the question we need to be asking is not whether we support a pipeline. The question has to be whether we support Alberta workers. We need to ensure we are getting jobs for Alberta workers. What drives me absolutely bonkers is the fact that Jason Kenney had the nerve to lay off over 20,000 education sector workers mere days before he invested billions of dollars in a pipeline that we knew would not go forward because Biden told us it would not. The fact is that we are not fighting for the pipeline. None of the people in the House are fighting for this pipeline. We are fighting for Albertans. We are fighting for Alberta jobs.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:20 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the President of the Queen’s Privy Council for Canada and to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the member makes reference to Alberta being abandoned by Ottawa. It concerns me when we have members of Parliament from the Prairies giving false information, because it is false. To try to give Canadians the impression that they have been abandoned is irresponsible. Quite frankly, one of the reasons we see some of the issues in Alberta today is because of these extreme positions taken by members.

Could the member indicate what any other province has been receiving that demonstrates that Alberta has been abandoned by the federal government? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Keystone XL PipelineEmergency Debate

8:20 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Madam Speaker, that was an interesting question. When my hon. colleague speaks of the rhetoric coming from Alberta, I guess that if the NDP and the Conservative Party can agree that the Liberal government has not done enough for Alberta, that does cover quite a large part of the political spectrum. In the last election we asked Albertans and they also did not think that the Liberal Party was doing enough for them.

Is there more the government needs to do? One hundred per cent. Does it need suggestions on how to do that? I am here for it. I am here to help. Anything I can do to help the government support Albertans, I am here. I have great ideas and suggestions.

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Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to congratulate my colleague on her speech about a matter that understandably evokes strong emotions. We are talking about the jobs of thousands of people and a sector that has been weakened by these times.

A little earlier, I heard our colleague from Winnipeg North call on us to be open-minded. I would like to point out to our colleague that only the Bloc Québécois has been insisting for months that we should diversify and invest in different expertise, which would make it possible for Alberta's workers to develop other skills and be able to survive without being dependent on oil. I would like my colleague from Edmonton Strathcona to comment on that. She mentioned it in her speech.

What avenues should we explore to develop new expertise that will allow Alberta to transition to other activities?

As my colleague mentioned a little earlier, the oil industry is almost finished.