House of Commons Hansard #9 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was housing.

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Persons with DisabilitiesOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Speaker, December 3 marks the International Day of Persons with Disabilities. This year the theme is leadership and participation of persons with disabilities toward an inclusive, accessible and sustainable post-COVID-19 world. It is a time for everyone to focus on how the pandemic impacted persons with disabilities, while highlighting the progress of leadership and the participation of persons with disabilities toward an inclusive, accessible and sustainable world.

Could the Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and Disability Inclusion please inform the House about our government's efforts to create an inclusive and accessible nation?

Persons with DisabilitiesOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Delta B.C.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough LiberalMinister of Employment

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the member for Windsor—Tecumseh on his return to the House and for his unwavering support and advocacy for persons with disabilities.

No other government has done more for persons with disabilities, but we have much more work to do. In the spirit of “nothing without us”, we are building on the steps we have taken since 2015, including the historic Accessible Canada Act, our ongoing work to establish our first-ever disability inclusion action plan and the new Canada disability benefit.

I encourage all members to participate in discussions and learn more about the important contributions of persons with disabilities in all our communities, and not just on December 3 but every day.

Indigenous AffairsOral Questions

December 2nd, 2021 / 3:10 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Mr. Speaker, yesterday's PBO report on clean drinking water confirmed what first nations already knew: the Prime Minister does not care about their human rights.

It is unacceptable that three first nations in northern Manitoba have gone so long without clean drinking water: Mathias Colomb, 76 days; Shamattawa, 726 days; and Tataskweyak, 1,660 days. This is what failure from the Liberal government looks like.

How many more reports before the Prime Minister fixes what he promised to fix years ago?

Indigenous AffairsOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Thunder Bay—Superior North Ontario

Liberal

Patty Hajdu LiberalMinister of Indigenous Services and Minister responsible for the Federal Economic Development Agency for Northern Ontario

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for her passion, because we share it. This is a top priority for our government, to end long-term drinking water advisories across the country. That is why we have invested billions of dollars. That is why we are working so closely with communities just like the ones she mentioned.

We will get this done together in partnership with first nations communities.

The EnvironmentOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, the situation is bad. Environmental racism is alive and well in Kanesatake.

On the Mohawk territories of Kanesatake, there is a toxic waste dump. It has been leaking harmful chemicals, and it also affects the wildlife and the fish. It is not as though the government has not said something about it. There was a directive delivered to the toxic waste facility, dated November 18, 2020, and yet the toxic waste still flows.

Could the minister update us on what is being done to remove the toxic waste facility from Kanesatake?

The EnvironmentOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Vancouver Quadra B.C.

Liberal

Joyce Murray LiberalMinister of Fisheries

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the member for Saanich—Gulf Islands for her continued advocacy for the environment and for her constituents.

The protection and restoration of fish habitats and fish in our waters is a top priority for me as a minister. Disposing of waste in this manner is dangerous to people, to the environment and to our fish stocks, and it is unacceptable. It is one of the reasons our government modernized the Fisheries Act to protect and restore fish habitats, which a previous government had cut out. We will hold any individuals who violate this act to account.

The House resumed from November 29 consideration of the motion that Bill C-2, An Act to provide further support in response to COVID-19, be read the second time and referred to a committee.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

It being 3:15 p.m., pursuant to order made earlier today, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at the second reading stage of Bill C-2.

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #5

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I declare the motion carried.

Accordingly, the bill stands referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

(Bill read the second time and referred to a committee)

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I wish to inform the House that because of the deferred recorded division, Government Orders will be extended by 19 minutes.

We have a point of order by the hon. member for North Island—Powell River.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Rachel Blaney NDP North Island—Powell River, BC

Mr. Speaker, during the vote, one member left the House after voting and did not take their vote away. I would ask you to remind the House that we are still practising the same rules and that if members are in the House to vote, they should stay until the vote is completed.

An Act to Provide Further Support in Response to COVID-19Government Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I want to remind members that when they are voting, they must remain in their seats until the vote count has been reported. I thank the hon. member for North Island—Powell River.

Business of the HouseGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Mr. Speaker, it is always nice on Thursdays to take stock of the parliamentary work that has been done and what is coming up in the next few days.

The least that can be said is that we have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that those of us on this side of the House are capable of working to expedite the parliamentary process in certain instances. We clearly demonstrated that yesterday.

I invite my government colleague to inform the House and all of Canada of the parliamentary work that lies ahead over the next few days.

Business of the HouseGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Ajax Ontario

Liberal

Mark Holland LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, first, I thank my hon. colleague across the way for his co-operation. He is right to say there is a good spirit of co-operation. I hope that continues.

This afternoon, the House will continue debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne.

Tomorrow, the House will begin debate at second reading stage of Bill C-3, which would amend the Criminal Code and the Canada Labour Code to provide workers in federally regulated sectors with 10 days of paid sick leave and make it an offence to intimidate or prevent patients from seeking care. We are going to be continuing this debate on Monday.

I would also like to inform the House that on Monday afternoon, the Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth will be making a ministerial statement in memory of the truly tragic events at École Polytechnique de Montréal.

Next Tuesday and Thursday shall be allotted days, and Wednesday and Friday will be days reserved for the address debate.

Finally, I would like to inform the House that the committee of the whole debates, pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), to consider supplementary estimates (B) shall take place on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week.

Access by Members to the House of Commons Precinct—Speaker's RulingPrivilegeGovernment Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I am now ready to rule on the question of privilege raised on November 23, 2021, by the member for Banff—Airdrie and the member for Salaberry—Suroît concerning the Board of Internal Economy’s decision requiring vaccination against COVID-19 for members accessing the House of Commons precinct.

In his intervention, the member for Banff—Airdrie, citing references and precedents, alleged that the board neither has the statutory authority nor the delegated authority from the House to make the decision it made on October 19, 2021, requiring that members be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 or provide a valid medical exemption coupled with negative test results to be able to access the precinct.

The government House leader stated that the board acted within its mandate as per section 52.3 of the Parliament of Canada Act with regard to action respecting all financial and administrative matters concerning the House, its premises, its services and members. He noted that the board’s decision takes into account the collective interest and health of all members to permit the House to discharge its functions.

The member for Salaberry—Suroît also later rose on a similar matter, stating that the Conservative Party's refusal to disclose its members' vaccination status is in itself a violation of the House’s privileges. She noted that the collective privileges of the House take precedence over those of individual members insofar as the health and safety of members is concerned.

The Chair wants to address this particular concern by assuring everyone in this House that all medical exemptions, whether for members or for staff, are reviewed by the health and safety personnel of the House administration. Anyone with a valid exemption must provide a recent negative COVID-19 test result in order to access the buildings in the precinct.

The question for the Chair to consider is whether the issue of the interplay between the board’s decision and the privileges of the House deserves priority of consideration over all other business.

The Board of Internal Economy is the statutory governing body of the House of Commons. Its authority comes from the Parliament of Canada Act, the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act and the Standing Orders of the House. It is composed of members from all recognized parties and chaired by the Speaker. Since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the board has instituted various health and safety measures for the protection of everyone working in the precinct and to ensure the continued functioning of the House.

Among its privileges, rights and powers, the House has the right to regulate and administer its precinct, as well as the authority to maintain the attendance and service of its members. As stated in the third edition of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, at page 122, and I quote:

The privileges of the House of Commons include “such rights as are necessary for free action within its jurisdiction and the necessary authority to enforce these rights if challenged”. It is well established that, by extension, the House has complete and sole authority to regulate and administer its precinct, without outside interference, including controlling access to the buildings.

If limits are to be placed on members’ access to the buildings, it would seem consistent with these principles that such limits be established by the House itself. However, it is important to consider the unique context in which the board’s decision was made. During a time when Parliament was dissolved, the board was faced with a decision regarding mandatory vaccinations in order to access the precinct. It made a decision, after considering recommendations from various public health authorities to limit the spread of COVID-19 during the ongoing pandemic, to protect the health and safety of all those who work in these buildings. As the House had not yet been called into session, it was not in a position to pronounce itself on the matter.

The board's decision to restrict access to the precinct only to those who are fully vaccinated or who have a valid medical exemption, including members, has the effect of putting conditions on members' participation in the proceedings of the House. Since the question of privilege was raised, the House has adopted a motion that addresses this matter, meaning the House has explicitly endorsed the BOIE's decision and the conditions it imposes on members' participation in the proceedings. While the matter of mandatory vaccination for members has been settled, the Chair is satisfied that the interplay between the rights and privileges of the House and the jurisdiction of the board remains an issue, with the board appearing to have exceeded its authority in a way that conflicts with the privileges of the House.

Accordingly, the Chair is prepared to rule that there is a prima facie question of privilege.

The Chair has read the motion suggested by the member for Banff—Airdrie in his written notice and, given the developments in this matter, does not believe that it falls within the limited scope of this type of motion. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, at page 150, states, “The terms of the motion have generally provided that the matter be referred to committee for study”. The Chair has previously stated, in similar circumstances, in a decision from June 16, 2021, on page 8552 of the Debates, “given that the parameters for such motions are clear and that the practice is well established, the proposed motion should be a motion of censure or to refer the matter to the appropriate committee for study.”

The support and guidance of the Chair and the table officers are available to the member for Banff—Airdrie as he drafts his motion.

As a result, the Chair reserves his final ruling and will return to the House as soon as the member is ready to move the appropriate motion.

I want to thank hon. members for their attention.

Alleged Non-compliance with an Order of the HousePrivilegeGovernment Orders

3:45 p.m.

Ajax Ontario

Liberal

Mark Holland LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I am rising to respond to the question of privilege raised by my hon. colleague across the aisle, with respect to the order made by the House in the previous Parliament for a public release of documents from the Public Health Agency of Canada relating to the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg.

I will put aside the question of the appropriateness or the ability of an order made in one Parliament to bind a future Parliament. Rather, I will stick to the substance of the matter raised in the previous Parliament, and our government's desire to work collaboratively with opposition parties to find an appropriate mechanism to deal with the request for documents that contain information subject to national security confidentiality.

As we all know, in the 43rd Parliament all opposition parties pressed the government to publicly release documents that contained information subject to national security that would have been injurious to Canada's reputation with its international security partners. In the previous Parliament, members should know that the Public Health Agency worked diligently to try to comply with the order of the House. In undertaking this work, the agency attempted to balance the right of parliamentarians to have access to information and the duty of the government to protect such information from public disclosure.

Accordingly, the former minister of health referred the matter to the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, given the committee members' expertise on matters of national security.

The committee, made up of both House and Senate members, has a broad mandate and can review any activity carried out by a department that relates to national security or intelligence.

The government continues to believe that this is an appropriate mechanism for parliamentary review of documents, and the best way to ensure the protection of information subject to national security confidentiality.

Unfortunately, the opposition parties did not find this to be an acceptable approach.

If the matter is revived again in this new Parliament by way of a substantive motion, our government believes that with the co-operation of the other members a solution to this impasse can be found.

This spirit brings to mind Speaker Milliken's ruling of April 27, 2010, respecting the right to institute inquiries and to order the production of documents. I will quote from Speaker Milliken's ruling:

Certainly from the submissions I have heard, it is evident to the Chair that all members take seriously the sensitive nature of these documents and the need to protect the confidential information they contain. The Chair must conclude that it is within the powers of the House of Commons to ask for the documents sought in the December 10 order it adopted. Now it seems to me that the issue before us is this: Is it possible to put in place a mechanism by which these documents could be made available to the House without compromising the security and confidentiality of the information they contain? In other words, is it possible for the two sides, working together in the best interests of the Canadians they serve, to devise a means where both their concerns are met? Surely that is not too much to hope for.

Building on the approach taken by the House in 2010, our government believes there is good reason for hope of a resolution. I would like to walk members through a proposed vetting mechanism that would allow certain parliamentarians to see unredacted versions of the documents while ensuring the ongoing protection of sensitive information.

The proposed mechanism is based on the ad hoc committee of parliamentarians and the panel of arbiters used in 2010 for records related to the transfer of Afghan detainees from the Canadian Armed Forces to the Afghan authorities.

The proposed model balances two key principles: first, accountability to Parliament by maximizing disclosure and transparency to the greatest extent that is possible; and second, the protection of sensitive and confidential information from disclosure where it would be injurious to our nation. It reflects the government's understanding of the House of Commons' role in holding the government to account and its need for complete and accurate information in order to fulfill this role.

At the same time, it reflects the House of Commons' understanding of the government's responsibilities in matters of national security, national defence and international relations. It further reflects that information subject to solicitor-client privilege or cabinet confidences are classes of information that Parliament has long recognized are sensitive and may require protection from disclosure.

I would now like to walk members through the proposal detailing the composition of the committees, the panel of arbiters, appropriate security measures to safeguard the information and the methods for screening records.

Let me begin with the proposed composition of the committee and the panel of arbiters. The government and opposition parties would sign a memorandum of understanding to create the committee and select a panel of arbiters. The committee would be comprised of one member from each of the signatory parties and one alternate member from each party. The panel of arbiters could be comprised of three former senior judges who were agreed upon by the signatories.

Second, let me address the security measures to safeguard information. Members of the ad hoc committee would conduct their business within a secure government facility and be subject to appropriate security measures to safeguard sensitive and confidential information. This includes procedural, physical and technical security measures and the requirement that members of the committee would undergo the same security screening as members of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians in order to obtain the appropriate security clearance. The work of the ad hoc committee and the panel of arbiters would be supported by security-cleared, non-partisan public servants.

MPs on the committee would be provided with both the redacted and non-redacted versions of the documents provided by the government. Where there is a disagreement concerning what information should be released publicly, the committee would refer the disputed information to the panel of arbiters. The panel of arbiters, agreed upon by all parties, would make a binding determination regarding how that information could be made available to members of Parliament and the public without compromising national security, national defence or international relations. This could occur by redaction, the writing of summaries, or the full or partial release of the material.

Finally, let me touch upon methods for the screening of records. The proposed model has a method for screening records containing information, the disclosure of which would be injurious to national security, national defence or international relations, otherwise collectively known as national security confidentialities.

Madam Speaker, as you can see, our government has taken seriously the need to provide a reasonable oversight mechanism for the review of documents containing confidential national security information, as stipulated in Speaker Milliken's April 2010 ruling.

Members will note the similarity to the approach taken in 2010, which was deemed by a majority of the recognized parties at the time to be both reasonable and an effective balance between the interests of parliamentarians in obtaining the information they need and ensuring that confidential national security information is treated with the discretion necessary to protect the interests of Canadians and our great country.

I was a critic at that time in 2010. I can say the system worked with great effectiveness at achieving that balance.

I look forward to fruitful deliberations with my colleagues on the opposition benches and, as Speaker Milliken stated, I believe that collaboration among all parties is truly not too much to hope for. I thank members of the House for their attention to this important matter and for their indulgence in responding to this question of privilege.

In closing, we believe this proposal constitutes a good-faith effort by the government to resolve this matter responsibly. It recognizes the role of the House of Commons to do its work, and it also respects the government's obligation to protect Canadians from the harm that could occur with the release of sensitive national security information. In the end, it is a responsibility that we each bear as a member of Parliament. We must do our jobs in this place, and we must fulfill our duties in a responsible manner to uphold the principles of national security designated to us to protect this great country.

Alleged Non-compliance with an Order of the HousePrivilegeGovernment Orders

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I thank the hon. government House leader. The matter will be taken under consideration and we will return as quickly as possible.

The House resumed consideration of the motion for an address to Her Excellency the Governor General in reply to her speech at the opening of the session and of the amendment.

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, within the throne speech there is so much to provide comment on. I personally have reflected a great deal on child care. What would my colleague say is one of the things that makes her look forward to the coming days, when we think of the throne speech? Is there something specific to her constituents?

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Madam Speaker, welcome to the chair. It is my first opportunity to speak and see you sitting there, so it is lovely to see you sitting there.

I thank my colleague.

When I was a minister and a member of the provincial Nova Scotia legislature, I was so proud when the Prime Minister and the current Minister of Immigration and some members of the legislature of Nova Scotia attended my riding to make the very important announcement on child care. It was at Mount Saint Vincent University. It was precedent-setting for the province, and indeed it will be for the country.

It is going to benefit my daughters who have children. As we all know, child care and the cost of living are very difficult, but I am very much looking forward to all the provinces in this country signing on.

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

4 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, I would like to welcome the member opposite to the House.

In my riding of Sarnia—Lambton, we have a lot of seniors. Many of them are on OAS and GIS, and they have to take jobs on top of those to make ends meet. When the pandemic hit they received the CERB, and now their GIS is being taken away or reduced. I have been trying to have this issue addressed for about a year and a half. Between that and the increase to OAS only for seniors aged 75 and above, there are a lot of seniors who are going to be suffering.

I did not hear much in the throne speech that would address that. Could the member comment?

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

4 p.m.

Liberal

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for welcoming me to the House. I am very pleased to be here and to be able to work collaboratively with the member and all her colleagues.

That is a very good question, and it is one I heard a lot at the doors when I campaigned in my riding. I have spoken to our colleagues on this side of the House about it, and it is a matter that the minister is very much aware of. It is a matter that I very much look forward to her department working on, and I have been assured that it is working on it.

I know that seniors received the rebate in the summer, and that was very welcome by most of them. As I said, I look forward to the minister and the department working on that as well.

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

4 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Madam Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to ask the member opposite a question. I appreciate her words and congratulate her on her electoral victory.

The member mentioned child care quite often in her speech, and in her questions and comments. Given that the federal government was running a significant deficit prior to the pandemic and Liberals are running a massive deficit now, how is child care being paid for? Is it going to be deficit-financed, to put on the backs of those children entering child care whenever this money starts flowing and whenever these child care spaces start being created?

Resumption of Debate on Address in ReplySpeech from the Throne

4 p.m.

Liberal

Lena Metlege Diab Liberal Halifax West, NS

Madam Speaker, I am very pleased to answer that question because our country and our families depend on these investments and this is one way to get more families, men and women back into the workforce. We all know we have labour shortages. We need to get people back to work and we all know child care is very expensive. It is an investment in our children, in my case in my grandchildren, and I very much look forward to that. This is an investment. That is one thing my father taught me as a small child. These are investments as opposed to expenses. This is how I view it.