House of Commons Hansard #189 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was indigenous.

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Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

We will look at that before we go any further.

Please, it is not often that the Speaker explains himself, but this is an urgent matter that was brought up, and it was seriously looked at.

One thing that comes up when making a decision about whether we actually have an emergency debate is whether we have an opportunity to debate this in the near future, immediately. The hon. member for Regina—Qu'Appelle asked for tomorrow night, which is late tomorrow night, which is fine if there is no other time. However, if the hon. member for Regina—Qu'Appelle and the Leader of the Opposition find it so important, they would use their opposition day on Thursday to debate it because it is that important to them. That is the reasoning behind it.

The hon. member for Regina—Qu'Appelle is rising on a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Andrew Scheer Conservative Regina—Qu'Appelle, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is just that this issue is so pressing. We have members of Parliament who are being asked to debate and vote—

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I am sorry, but that is not acceptable.

The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby is rising on a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, this is profound disrespect for your role as Speaker of the House. We know that, for an emergency debate, you make a ruling. You have made it and I would ask that if we continue to get disruption—

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

I cannot hear the hon. member who has the floor.

The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Conservative Party is, right now, showing profound disrespect to your office as Speaker, and it needs to stop doing that and start the debate on its motion.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

We have a debate about to start. I would remind the hon. members about relevance, how it should be enforced in the chamber and how it hopefully will be enforced over this debate, so that we all stay in line.

The hon. Leader of the Opposition is rising on a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I will remind the Speaker that we will decide what is relevant to our speeches and that he should not shut us down.

We think it is an emergency when any member of Parliament faces threats against his family related to the votes conducted on the floor of the House of Commons. Nothing is more basic to our democracy than the ability of members to vote for their constituents' interests and to not have to vote in order to protect their family members from threats and violence.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

The hon. member for Winnipeg North is rising on a point of order.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, the member knows that we are not supposed to be challenging the Speaker and he continuously challenges you, as the Speaker, by not sitting down—

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Anthony Rota

We are fine; we are good.

Resuming debate, the Leader of the Opposition.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

May 2nd, 2023 / 10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the hon. member for Parry Sound—Muskoka.

What we have today, with the Prime Minister's housing crisis, is double trouble. Since the Prime Minister took office and since he promised to make housing affordable, the average cost of a mortgage payment has doubled, from $1,400 a month to over $3,000 a month. The average cost of rent in Canada's 10 biggest cities has doubled, from about $1,100 to over $2,000 every single month. The average required minimum down payment for a house in Canada has doubled, from $22,000 to $45,000. This is all since the Prime Minister became Prime Minister and promised that he was going to make housing affordable.

This is not just an inconvenience. This is not just a case where politicians stand up and say that Canadians are having trouble making ends meet or putting food on the table, as politicians always like to say. This is becoming possibly the single biggest socio-economic crisis in my lifetime, as an entire generation of young people have come to accept, for the first time in Canadian history, that they will not be able to afford a home.

Let me share with members the mathematics of hopelessness. I was speaking to a young lady who is 28 years old and is a CATSA screener at Toronto Pearson Airport. She calculates that, at her current rate of savings, about $5,000 a year, it will take her somewhere in the neighbourhood of 20 years to save for a down payment in Toronto. That means she will be well over 40 and unable to have kids. The hopelessness is not that she cannot afford a home; it is that her calculator tells her she will never be able to afford a home.

It would be nice and comforting for the Prime Minister if he could claim that this problem is out of his hands and that it is the result of some crazy global phenomenon that is not in his grasp, and therefore that he is once again just a passive observer in the misery that the Canadian people are living, as he so often tries to portray himself. The stats prove otherwise. This problem does not exist in the vast majority of countries in our peer group around the world. For example, last year, Fortune magazine concluded that the standard home in Canada now costs twice as much as it does in the U.S. Can the Prime Minister explain this? Prices are determined by supply and demand. The U.S. has 10 times the demand because it has 10 times the population. It has a smaller supply because its land mass is more confined and less than ours. It has 10 times the demand and less supply, yet, according to Fortune magazine, the prices in the U.S. are half what they are here in Canada.

Around the world, we see other examples. Vancouver, in NDP British Columbia, is now the third most overpriced housing market in the world according to Demographia. Toronto is the 10th. Both are more unaffordable than Manhattan, Los Angeles, London and even Singapore, an island where there is literally nowhere left to build. All these are places with more money, more people and less land, yet their real estate is more affordable than ours.

The practical consequences of this are that, for example, almost one-third of homeowners with a mortgage will pay off that debt over more than a 30-year period, due to higher interest rates, a significant increase over the once-standard 25-year amortization. The average rent for a spare bedroom, just the bedroom and not the overall housing unit, in a home, condo or apartment in Vancouver was $1,410. Let us put this into perspective. There are now couples who consider it a bargain to move into a townhouse with two other couples, each couple renting a single room, often sharing a bathroom, always sharing a kitchen, and paying $1,500 a month just for that room. Here in Canada, this is true housing poverty, and it has happened after eight years of the Prime Minister's policies.

Why is housing so unaffordable? First, government deficits are driving up interest, which increases the mortgage rates for people with debt. Second, we have the fewest houses per capita in the G7 even though we have the most land to build on. Why is that? The answer is that government gatekeepers block housing construction. It takes up to 10 years to get a building permit. We rank 64th in the world for building permit delays. We rank second-last for the speed at which we approve building permits within the OECD. Every other country but one in that group is faster to deliver permits and allow houses to be build. This blocks construction and prevents Canadians from owning a house. We know this problem is worse in NDP-controlled British Columbia, where hard-left, woke mayors who stand up for the wealthy mansion owners in leafy, ritzy neighbourhoods block the poor, the immigrants and the working class from ever owning homes. Therefore, we do not have enough homes, and that is why Canadians do not have a place to live.

The government wants to bring in half a million people per year, which is a million people over the next two years, and it has no plan to build the houses to go along with that. In fact, since the current Prime Minister took office, we have fewer houses per capita than we did eight years ago. In other words, this problem is metastasizing and worsening every single day. The only party with a common-sense plan to fix it is the Conservative Party, and this is the plan.

The government has put $89 billion into housing programs. Government housing is not the solution. It is not working because, if there is a confined space of permitted land to build on, we could pour as much money as we want into it and we are not going to get more housing; we are going to get more expensive housing. Worse still, the Prime Minister has announced $4 billion more, not for housing, but for the gatekeepers. The money is literally going to go to the zoning and permitting departments of the big cities that are blocking the construction in the first place. In other words, it is a big, fat reward for those same bureaucrats who are blocking our youth from having homes, and that will build out the bureaucracy and slow down the construction.

Here is my common-sense plan. We will link the number of dollars big cities get for infrastructure to the number of houses that actually get built. Those who block construction will be fined. I will cut back their infrastructure. Those who speed up and lower the cost of permits to build more will get a building bonus from my government because incentives work. I will require every federally funded transit station to have high-density housing on all the available land around and even on top of the station. We will sell off 6,000 federal buildings to convert them into affordable housing for our young people to live in. We will speed up immigration for building trades. We will shift more of our education dollars over to the trades, rather than just to the white-collar professions.

We have seen the way. We can look at what the Squamish people have done in the city of Vancouver. They have their own land and do not have to follow the rules of the gatekeepers. They are building 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of land. The Squamish have shown what can happen when we get the gatekeepers out of the way. That is exactly what we are going to do right across the country. We will clear the gatekeepers. We will remove the privileged class inside the castle walls and open the gates of opportunity up to anyone who is prepared to work hard. If people work hard in this country, the rules should allow that they have a decent home where they can start a family and raise kids. It is common sense, the common sense of the common people united for our common home, their home, my home, our home. Let us bring it home.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, when the leader of the Conservative Party sat around the cabinet table, the Harper government did absolutely nothing when it came to housing. If we contrast that with the current government, we have invested literally billions of dollars into housing, developed a housing strategy, and worked with the different provinces and the many different for-profit and non-profit stakeholders.

My question for the leader of the official opposition is this. Will he not recognize that, although Ottawa has stepped up to the plate and contributed in virtually every way, even though the Conservative Party has opposed many of those measures, the provinces, municipalities and other stakeholders also need to step up in order to resolve Canada's housing issues?

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I want to remind members that I know the Leader of the Opposition is very capable of answering the question, and he does not need his MPs to help him on this.

The hon. Leader of the Opposition.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Madam Speaker, first, it would have been better if that government had done nothing. Nothing would have been better than what it did in reality.

If the member wants to compare records, when I was the responsible housing minister, housing costs were half of what they are today. The average mortgage payment required on the average house was $1,400, and now it is $3,000. The required amount of a person's paycheque to make monthly payments on a house was 39%, and now it is 70%. The average rent was $1,100, and now it is $2,200. The average down payment was a modest $22,000, and now it is $45,000. These are just the results.

It is true that the Liberals have far more expensive housing programs, but that is a double loss. It means that not only are homebuyers paying more; now taxpayers are paying more. Under the Conservatives, both of them would pay less.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:30 a.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Madam Speaker, I closed my eyes at times during the Leader of the Opposition's speech, and it felt like I was listening to an NDP member. It shocked me to hear such words coming out of the mouth of the leader of the official opposition. It is no secret that housing is an area of provincial jurisdiction. Who could manage housing needs better than the municipalities themselves?

Let me double-check something. I hear the Conservatives talking about penalizing municipalities that do not build enough new properties, new houses or new housing units. Does that not seem centralizing? Is it not the opposite of what the Conservatives usually preach? Can the Leader of the Opposition tell me if he agrees that no one knows housing needs better than the municipalities? Would he agree that what they need most from the federal government are adequate funds?

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Madam Speaker, what an ironic question from the centralist Bloc. BQ members say they want to be independent, but what they really want is to be dependent. Every day, they rise in the House to call for a bigger, stronger federal government. We do the exact opposite of that.

The member asked whether the federal government should give the municipalities money. At the federal level, we are responsible for the money we spend. Yes, I will make sure the money we spend is used to build affordable housing for Canadians, not the overpriced new builds we are seeing now.

Are municipalities actually in the best position to handle this? Unfortunately, big cities like Toronto and Vancouver have done a very bad job. We are done saying yes to everything these incompetent mayors and local politicians ask for. They are the ones causing this housing crisis. The Conservative government will demand affordable housing. We will get rid of the guardians of privilege and get more houses built. That is plain old common sense, and that is what we are going to do.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Madam Speaker, I thank the opposition for raising the motion today. I hope the member actually apologizes. I saw him become unhinged in this chamber before and call the Speaker a damn disgrace. He actually apologized to me in the past—

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

This was dealt with a while ago. I would ask the hon. member to ask his question, because we are running out of time. It should be reflective of the motion before the House.

The hon. member for Windsor West.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Madam Speaker, I do think it is relevant; it sets the tone in this chamber. At the same time, I will ask, quite quickly—

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Order, please. I would ask members to allow the hon. member to ask his question.

The hon. member for Windsor West.

Opposition Motion—Home Ownership and Renting AffordabilityBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

10:35 a.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Madam Speaker, I will go directly to the question. I will simply ask this. When he closed veterans' offices in my riding, was that a benefit to them getting housing or was it a distraction? I would like to know what he says about that.