House of Commons Hansard #353 of the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Canada Health Act First reading of Bill C-414. The bill amends the Canada Health Act to include community-based mental health, addictions, and substance use services as insured services, requiring provinces and territories to provide coverage. 200 words.

Petitions

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs Members debate the government's refusal to provide unredacted documents on the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund, following Auditor General's findings of conflicts of interest and ineligible projects. Opposition demands documents go to RCMP, citing parliamentary privilege. Government cites Charter rights and police independence concerns, suggesting committee review and accusing opposition of playing political games and filibustering. 55000 words, 7 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives focus on the carbon tax, citing the PBO report to argue it costs Canadians more, linking it to the rising cost of living, and repeatedly calling for a carbon tax election. They also criticize the government over a $400-million green slush fund scandal, alleging obstruction of justice for refusing to provide documents to the RCMP, and raise issues of national security and income inequality.
The Liberals defend the carbon tax and Canada Carbon Rebate using the PBO report, highlighting climate change impacts. They accuse Conservatives of interfering with police and parliamentary proceedings. They also emphasize support for supply management, social programs like dental care and the Canada child benefit, addressing foreign interference, and condemning groups like Samidoun.
The Bloc criticizes the Senate's obstruction of Bill C-282 on supply management and calls on the government to intervene. They also demand the Liberals increase old age security for seniors 65-74 via Bill C-319.
The NDP raise concerns about the high cost of groceries and Canadians relying on credit cards. They criticize the Liberals' failure on health care, government lawyers' offensive language regarding clean water for First Nations, and call for action on the Israel-Gaza situation.
The Green Party raises concerns about the Six Nations' community health centre due to black mould and inadequate support from Indigenous Services Canada.

Finance Members debate the Canadian economy and the impact of government policies, focusing on the Liberal government's capital gains tax increase. Conservative MP Tracy Gray argues it hurts small businesses, investment, productivity, and housing construction, citing constituent concerns. Liberal MP Jenica Atwin challenges the claim it is a job-killing tax, citing a report suggesting it benefits the wealthy. 1500 words, 10 minutes.

Adjournment Debates

Kitchener-Toronto railway service Mike Morrice asks Adam van Koeverden for a timeline from the province on two-way, all-day GO train service between Kitchener and Toronto. Van Koeverden notes the federal government has committed funding and says that GO train service is a provincial matter, mentioning a by-election in Milton.
Carbon tax effects in Alberta Martin Shields cites a PBO report that Albertans will pay more in carbon tax than they receive in rebates. Adam van Koeverden responds that the PBO didn't consider the costs of climate inaction. Shields notes that the carbon tax hurts public services. Van Koeverden blames Alberta's high-carbon electricity grid.
Decriminalization of hard drugs Jamil Jivani criticizes the Liberal government for considering a proposal to decriminalize hard drugs, citing the overdose crisis and Minister Lametti's praise for the idea. Adam van Koeverden responds that the government rejected a similar request from Toronto and accuses Jivani of spreading misinformation.
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Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

5 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, we all remember the campaign in 2015 of sunny ways. I even had sunglasses made with “sunny ways” written on the side. We all knew it was a clever slogan, but we also knew that sunny ways would not last very long with the government. It was supposed to shine a light on things so there would be an open and accountable government. That went away pretty quickly.

With some of the language Liberals were using, maybe they were secretly saying they would be doing things in a new way. If this is the new way they were promising Canadians, I do not think Canadians were expecting this. I think of the people struggling, like Zander from Fort Nelson, who is struggling with paying the carbon tax bill he sent me, which is over $200, and he is just trying to stay warm in his mobile home. He is paying this money, and the radical environment minister wants him to pay more. It is going to quadruple. It is going to get higher, and it is all to fund his NDP-Liberal buddies and fill their pockets. It is an absolute shame.

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5 p.m.

Windsor—Tecumseh Ontario

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Employment

Madam Speaker, we talk about struggle. There were 300,000 Canadians who lost their jobs under the Conservative government. There were 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost under the previous Conservative government. I remember that because factories and businesses were closed in my community. Those were terrible times.

This Liberal government has delivered a battery plant to Windsor with 2,500 good-paying, local Canadian jobs. Why has the Conservative opposition not supported this battery plant in Windsor, the 2,500 jobs in my community and Windsor workers? Why have Conservatives not supported those workers in my hometown?

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, there is a bit of a discrepancy in what the member just said. Back when we were in government, when I was part of the 2011-15 government, we had some pretty good economic things going on in this country. We had natural resources in my riding, natural gas was being developed, forestry was going and we had a softwood lumber agreement within the first 80 days.

Contrast that with the government, which had to spend taxpayer money, in the billions, to buy a battery plant. Instead of letting the market respond and build itself, the Liberals had to spend billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer money to build this thing. That is not the way this country started and it is not the way we are going to survive.

We are $1.4 trillion in debt, and it is getting worse under the government. The Liberals are throwing money at everything and hoping something works, but it is not—

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5:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Churchill—Keewatinook Aski.

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5:05 p.m.

NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Madam Speaker, the member talked about workers in his part of the country facing difficult times. It takes me back to a few years ago when my home community was going through difficult times as a result of the agreement that the Harper government approved, which allowed Vale, a multinational, to buy out Inco. It went on to slash all of the value-added jobs at the mine site in my hometown of Thompson. Unfortunately, all we had was platitudes from the Stephen Harper government and no real action to back up resource workers and ensure value-added capacity in my hometown.

I would like to hear the member's thoughts on why the Conservative government did not stand up for workers at that time. Is the concern for resource workers in northern provinces just reserved for the Liberals? Let us not forget our history, including the history of my hometown of Thompson.

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, I can only speak to what happened in my riding when we were in government. When we formed a majority, when projects were on hold and money was not being spent, the gears of the economy started turning again. That was because of the leadership of Stephen Harper.

We have not talked about forestry a lot today, but as I mentioned, within the first 80 days we had a softwood lumber agreement. After nine years, these guys, the NDP-Liberals, have not even gotten an agreement done. I caught the minister during previous negotiations and meetings she had with her U.S. counterparts, and I asked whether softwood was even on the agenda. It has not been on the agenda for the last six years. We got it done when we were in government in the first 80 days. It provided surety. We also had a lot of development in forestry across the country at that time.

I hope we get back there once again. I hope we see manufacturing come back to Canada and natural resources developed in Canada, and we bring back the prosperous country we once knew and loved.

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5:05 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, since we are on the topic of natural resources and the work the Conservatives did to damage the natural resource sector, I will note that I was in Alberta working in the natural resource sector in the northeast part of the province at the Cold Lake oil sands when I was laid off because the Conservatives had sold off Canadian Natural Resources Limited. Stephen Harper sold it to a state-owned enterprise known as Nexen, a Chinese natural resource company. Where was the member then when it came to Chinese state ownership of CNRL, which he and his party sold off? Where is he today?

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, maybe the member is misremembering, because the government never owned CNRL, so it could not have been sold by the Canadian government. Maybe that is the vision the New Democrats have, where governments own corporations. We have a different vision, where corporations and the workers who work—

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

5:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa.

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5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, it is another day and another Liberal scandal. Canadians have watched Parliament grind to a halt because of the government's green slush fund scandal, and now that the Liberals have been caught, the Prime Minister is preventing Parliament from moving forward in order to cover up the truth. Members of the House fully understand that Parliament has ground to a halt because the Prime Minister is refusing to hand over documents relating to Sustainable Development Technology Canada.

Sustainable Development Technology Canada, also known as SDTC, was created by the government to fund new technologies that would reduce emissions. However, Canadians have discovered that SDTC has turned into nothing more than a Liberal slush fund rampant with corruption and conflicts of interest. Ever since the Liberals began appointing new executives to the board in 2019, executives were awarding money to companies that they held an active conflict of interest in.

The Liberals would have gotten away with this corruption had it not been for the brave whistle-blowers who came forward to sound the alarm on the financial mismanagement of the fund. Since then, both the Auditor General and the Ethics Commissioner launched separate investigations into the Liberal green slush fund. What did they find? The Auditor General's investigation revealed that $390 million in funding was awarded to projects that should have been totally ineligible or was awarded to projects in which the board members were conflicted. The Auditor General found SDTC awarded $58 million to 10 ineligible projects that at times could not prove an environmental benefit or a development of green technology, $334 million over 186 cases in which board members held a conflict of interest and $58 million for projects without guaranteeing that terms and conditions were met. Liberal insiders were caught padding the pockets of companies that they were invested in, and they were doing this all with Canadian taxpayers' money.

Although the Auditor General exposed this corruption, there are many reasons to believe that this is far more than just financial mismanagement. Canadians are asking if this is criminal, and rightly so.

The same whistle-blower who exposed the Liberals' green slush fund is confident that an RCMP investigation would find criminality. The whistle-blower stated at committee, “Just as I was always confident that the Auditor General would confirm the financial mismanagement at SDTC, I remain equally confident that the RCMP will substantiate the criminal activities that occurred within the organization.” When asked if the Auditor General's investigation was sufficient enough, the whistle-blower said:

I think the Auditor General's investigation was more of a cursory review. I don't think the goal and mandate of the Auditor General's office is to actually look into criminality, so I'm not surprised by the fact that they haven't found anything criminal. They're not looking at intent. If their investigation was focused on intent, of course they would find the criminality.

That is why the House of Commons ordered that the documents on the green slush fund be handed over to the RCMP. How will we ever get to the bottom of this corruption if the RCMP does not have all the information needed to fully investigate the criminality of the slush fund?

Although the Liberals voted against the document production order, the House of Commons adopted the motion. However, instead of respecting the will of Parliament, the Liberal government refused to release the documents ordered by the House of Commons and therefore breached the privileges of Parliament. This is a very serious offence. How can we represent Canadians if the Prime Minister fails to respect the House of Commons? How can we represent Canadians if the Prime Minister disregards the powers of Parliament? How can we represent Canadians if the Prime Minister turns a blind eye to democracy? The answer is simple: We cannot.

What we are seeing from the Prime Minister is a full-scale cover-up to hide the massive corruption. The Prime Minister does not care about accountability. He does not care about transparency. He does not care about justice. The only thing the Prime Minister cares about is protecting his government and the Liberal insiders who got rich from taxpayer dollars.

It is not just me who is saying this either. While testifying at the committee, the SDTC whistle-blower stated, “I think the current government is more interested in protecting themselves and protecting the situation from being a public nightmare. They would rather protect wrongdoers and financial mismanagement than have to deal with a situation like SDTC in the public sphere.” I could not agree more. It has become very clear over the last nine years that the Canadians who do best under the government are well-connected Liberal insiders.

The Liberal government has displayed a constant disregard for Parliament and the work of parliamentarians. This is not the first time the Liberals have failed to adhere to document production orders, especially regarding their failed environmental programs. For months, the environment committee ordered the environment minister to release proof that the carbon tax reduces emissions. In fact, the committee ordered the production of these documents on three separate occasions. We ordered this information on November 30, 2023, on March 21, 2020, and again on April 9, 2024.

Each time the committee ordered these documents, the environment minister disregarded the will of parliamentarians and refused to provide them. I wonder why. Maybe it was because the environment minister admitted that his government does not track the emissions directly reduced from the carbon tax. Maybe it was because emissions have gone up under the Prime Minister. Maybe it was because Canada's independent environment commissioner said that the Liberals would not meet their own emissions reduction targets. The point is that the environment minister's defiance of Parliament was an insult to Canadians. Unfortunately, the NDP and the Bloc refused to refer this matter to the House of Commons at the time.

With regard to the carbon tax, it is important to note that just this morning, the independent Parliamentary Budget Officer once again confirmed that the carbon tax will cost the average Canadian family more than they get back. According to the PBO's report, which was just released this morning, “taking into consideration both fiscal and economic impacts, PBO estimates that the average household in each of the backstop provinces will see a net cost”. It it no wonder the Liberals were hiding the carbon tax documents from the environment committee.

This was not the only time this year that the Liberals refused to hand over documents on their failed environmental programs. Although we are discussing a billion-dollar green slush fund today, I am confident that we will soon be discussing another one very soon in the House of Commons. That is because earlier this year, the environment commissioner released a damning report on the Liberal government's $8-billion net-zero accelerator fund. The vast majority of Canadians have never heard of the net-zero accelerator fund, which I find very surprising given that it is costing taxpayers $8 billion.

Usually when a government spends this much money, its members travel across the country, talk about what the money was used for and how it will help Canadians. However, that is not the case with the net-zero accelerator fund. Thanks to Canada's environment commissioner, we now know why the Liberals do not want to talk about it. In a damning report tabled in Parliament, Canada's environment commissioner revealed that the $8-billion net-zero accelerator was nothing more than another Liberal slush fund. The audit found that over 70% of the funding agreements had no commitment to reduce any emissions. The whole point of this fund was to reduce emissions, but now we know that this was a complete lie. Does this sound familiar? It sure does. This is very similar to the corruption we are debating today on the Liberals' billion-dollar green slush fund.

Canada's Auditor General found that 10 projects funded through the green slush fund did not even produce green technology or contribute to emissions reductions. In fact, $59 million of the green slush fund was spent on ineligible projects. This is the same type of corruption that was revealed by the environment commissioner on the Liberals' net-zero accelerator fund.

The commissioner testified at committee on this scandal. He stated that “the department did not always know to what extent GHG emissions had been reduced by those companies that took part in the initiative, or whether the funding provided would lead to reduced emissions.”

When I asked the commissioner how many emissions had been reduced by this $8-billion emissions reduction program, he stated, “I can't say how many yet.”

It is unbelievable. When I asked the commissioner if the government was tracking the value for money from the net-zero accelerator, he replied, “Not in a public way.... We've made our own calculations of the value for money that we could, based on the data they have, but we have seen no public reporting on the value for money, no.”

Not only did the environment commissioner reveal that the Liberals were handing out money without any commitment to reduce emissions, but the commissioner also revealed that the emissions reduction target of net-zero accelerator was being protected under cabinet confidence.

According to a written response from the government's industry department, the government is “not in a position to disclose the [emissions reduction] targets, as they are protected under Cabinet confidence”. This is coming from the same department that was responsible for the green slush fund that we are debating today.

The Liberals are charging taxpayers $8 billion for a government program that is supposed to reduce emissions without telling them the goal of the program. That means no one will ever know what the money is achieving, if anything.

Who got the money? In typical Liberal fashion, the government was keeping this list a secret from Canadians. The lucky recipients of $8 billion in taxpayers' money could not be found anywhere.

That is why Conservatives on the environment committee ordered the government to release this list of recipients. We found that billions of taxpayer dollars were given away to non-Canadian companies.

The Liberals refused to provide this list to Canadian taxpayers, so I will read the recipients of the money into the record: $200 million to Algoma Steel, $400 million to ArcelorMittal, $49 million to Heidelberg Materials, $514 million to Stellantis, $96 million to General Motors, $40 million to CAE, $61 million to Pratt & Whitney, $222 million to Rio Tinto, $15 million to Volvo, $350 million to INSAT, $300 million to Air Products, $27 million to E3 Lithium, $15 million to AVL Fuel Cell Canada, $204 million to E-One Moli, $25 million to Svante, $48 million to Moltex, $500 million to NextStar Energy, $700 million to PowerCo, $551 million to Umicore Canada, $27 million to Westinghouse, $50 million to Lion Electric, $37 million to Vale Canada Limited and $148 million to POSCO.

I doubt the Canadian taxpayers will ever get a thank you from these megacorporations. Taxpayers should be furious. I am furious. I cannot imagine hearing this and knowing that $8 billion went to foreign companies, very well-off companies, in the name of net zero, in the name of “we are going to reduce emissions and we all have to put our shoulder to this”.

What did we get out of this? Someone's pockets were lined, but it certainly was not the Canadian taxpayer.

Canadian taxpayers should be disgusted with the Liberal government as it continues to spend their money without any transparency or accountability. That is why the environment committee ordered that those net-zero accelerator contracts be released, so Canadians could see the details, but the government is once again refusing to respect a documentation order. It has been over 150 days since we ordered these documents on behalf of Canadians, yet the Liberal government refuses to show Canadian taxpayers what it is charging them $8 billion for.

It gets worse. This is unbelievable. Earlier this week, at the government operations and estimates committee, the environment commissioner revealed the Liberals have created a fast-track lane for this $8-billion taxpayer-funded program. According to the environment commissioner, megacorporations can fast-track their applications for billions of taxpayer dollars by simply writing a letter. Guess who that letter is supposed to be sent to: the Prime Minister.

According to page 8 of the environment commissioner's report on the net-zero accelerator fund, “A project of more than $50 million also requires Treasury Board approval, concurrence letters from ministers of other concerned departments, and Cabinet approval”. It then states that net-zero accelerator projects “can be fast-tracked with a letter to the Prime Minister.”

The Liberals are giving special access to billions of tax dollars with a simple letter to the Prime Minister. We cannot make this stuff up. This is absolutely absurd. If Canadians thought the green slush fund was the damning scandal, wait until we uncover the truth about the Liberals' $8-billion net-zero accelerator slush fund.

Parliament has the privilege to compel the production of papers. The privilege allows us to properly represent Canadians who elected us to serve them. However, as the Speaker ruled, the privilege was breached by the Liberal government and the Liberal Prime Minister. Let us not forget that. The Prime Minister is blocking everything. We can all dance around this and we can all say what we want to say, but the Prime Minister is ultimately in control of this, and he does not want to have anybody see these documents.

On June 10, the House of Commons passed a motion that ordered the production of documents relating to the government's green slush fund so they could be turned over to the RCMP. In response to this motion, the government either outright refused the House order or redacted the documents that were turned over, basically making them useless so no one could do a full investigation. It would ultimately end up at committee just like we are right now. That is why Conservatives raised the question of privilege.

The Speaker then ruled on this question of privilege. He stated, “The House has the undoubted right to order the production of any and all documents from any entity or individual it deems necessary to carry out its duties.” The Speaker then added, “The House has clearly ordered the production of certain documents, and that order has clearly not been fully complied with.”

It is no wonder that Canadians have lost confidence in the government. Time and time again, we see the Liberal government cover up its wrongdoings. It is a pattern of behaviour that has resulted in anger among Canadians. Every time the Liberal government is caught doing something wrong, it does everything it can to cover up its wrongdoings. This approach is dangerous to democracy because it suggests the government can get away with anything. It sets a precedent that rules do not apply to the government of the day.

After nine years, this is more proof that the Liberals are not worth the cost, crime or corruption. The Speaker has ruled that the Liberal government has violated Parliament's order to hand over evidence to the police for a criminal investigation into the Liberals' $400-million green slush fund scandal. Instead of respecting the will of Parliament by handing over the documents, the Prime Minister has instead chosen to paralyze Parliament. As such, the Prime Minister has made it impossible for members of Parliament to address the issue that matters most to Canadians. We cannot address the doubling of—

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5:25 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Fleetwood—Port Kells.

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5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, there is proof that when all is said and done, there is more said than done. I think members on the other side are running out of, or getting a bit tired of, their own talking points on this one.

We have a situation where they are demanding that records supplied to Parliament be given to the RCMP for purposes of investigation. I do not think anybody would disagree with the notion that an investigation needs to happen, but the process they are talking about would produce something the RCMP has said it does not want and cannot use.

Can the hon. member speak to the fact that the dear leader over there thinks he is smarter than the RCMP and knows more than the RCMP does about doing an investigation properly?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, the Speaker ruled that the Liberal government has violated Parliament's order to hand over evidence to the police for criminal investigation into the Liberals' $400-million green slush fund scandal. Instead of respecting the will of Parliament in handing over those documents, the Prime Minister has instead chosen to paralyze Parliament. As such, the Prime Minister has made it impossible for members of Parliament to address the issues that matter most to Canadians.

We cannot address the doubling of housing costs. We cannot address the crime and chaos. We cannot address the inflation caused by the Liberal government—

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5:30 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot.

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5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Madam Speaker, we have made our position clear. We agree with the Conservatives on the question of privilege. That is not the issue.

I listened to my colleague's speech. It seems to me that giving loans or subsidies to big or small businesses is nothing new. However, my colleague listed off the names of businesses that were supported by the net-zero accelerator fund as though that were some kind of scandal.

Is my colleague trying to tell us that a potential, very hypothetical Conservative government would cut all forms of support for the transition of businesses, including oil companies?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, as I was saying, we cannot address the doubling of housing costs. We cannot address the crime and chaos. We cannot address the inflation caused by the Liberal government. The Prime Minister must end the cover-up by handing over the evidence to the police so Parliament, all of us elected MPs, can get back to working for Canadians.

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October 10th, 2024 / 5:30 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, I have asked this question several times now. It has been raised several times, as maybe a slogan about this Liberal insider business, which I agree with, that Ms. Verschuren is a donor and member of the party. She has been a large contributor financially to the Liberal Party, but so has she been a large donor to the Conservative Party. She has made a donation to it almost every single year, including the years she was the chair of SDTC.

She is also an insider, would the member not agree?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, I believe Annette Verschuren's donations were to Lisa Raitt and Jean Charest. She is from Cape Breton. She also donated at the same time to the Liberals in 2023, $800 in 2020, $800 in 2019; donated $1,600 to two riding associations; and in 2009, was a max donor to Michael Ignatieff.

I hope that answers some of the member's questions.

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5:30 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, listening to the member opposite is very similar to listening to the collective speeches delivered by the Conservative Party. One does not let the facts and the full truth get in the way of a Conservative-Reform party speech. That is what we are witnessing.

There is very simple question that no Conservative member of Parliament has actually answered. Instead, they skate around it. It is a simple question. The RCMP and the Auditor General of Canada, two well-respected institutions, have made it very clear to the House of Commons that, in essence, the game the Conservative Party is playing today, demanding that unredacted information be collected and given directly to the RCMP, is in fact a blurring of judicial independence and could be a violation of the Charter of Rights. That is not something the government or the Liberal Party are saying, but something that two institutions that Canadians have a great deal of respect for have said.

Why are Conservatives ignoring those two institutions on this issue?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, this reeks of elitism and out-of-touch Liberalism.

I cannot honestly believe this. I just went on in my speech about the billions of dollars at risk for hard-working Canadians taxpayers, and all this guy can come up with is asking about the RCMP. We are legislators. We are the Parliament of Canada. We on this side have asked the Liberals to produce some documents. It is very easy and 10 seconds would fix it. Why will the member not talk to his Prime Minister and say that he thinks it is time and the jig is up?

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5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Madam Speaker, I thank my hon. colleague for his incredible work in uncovering a lot of the corruption and scandal we have seen. It is covered in a veil of the Liberals pretending to be environmentalists and pretending to care about the climate.

We have asked for these unredacted documents to uncover where $400 million of taxpayer money went. What does my colleague think the Liberals are hiding?

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5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, it is what everybody else in Canada thinks the Liberals are hiding: corruption. The Auditor General found over 186 conflicts of interest. We are supposed to be professionals. We should be outraged about it. Are we? No, the Liberals have an excuse. They cannot show anybody any facts or figures. That is why we have become the laughingstock of the country.

The Liberals and the Prime Minister can fix all this, but the Prime Minister is in the way. I cannot emphasize that enough to all the parties here. It is the Prime Minister's fault. The Prime Minister has to come clean about it.

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5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Denis Trudel Bloc Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Madam Speaker, we agree that more accountability and transparency are needed. We agree, but we have been talking about this for a week now. Could we move on to something else?

We have a housing crisis and a climate crisis going on right now. Farmers were out in front of Parliament today demanding justice because the unelected Senate is paralyzing the House of Commons. The Senate is actually laughing at us right now. The Bloc Québécois is talking about it. Seniors are not being treated fairly in this country. There are plenty of issues we could talk about.

Does my colleague agree that it is about time we moved on to something else?

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5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, I completely agree with my colleague's outrage. It is unbelievable. The Liberals and the Prime Minister are in their back pockets of every person he mentioned, and that is the travesty of all this. That is the bad thing about it. They are stealing from Canadians and should be held to account.

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5:35 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, speaking of cherry-picking, the member spoke specifically about all the Conservative donations made by Ms. Verschuren, the Liberal-Conservative insider of the SDTC fund, that do not directly affect the Conservative Party. He mentioned all the leadership donations she made to the Conservative Party, but he failed to admit that she made direct contributions, as recently as last year, including a max donation in 2022, to the Conservative Party when she was chair of SDTC. The Liberal-Conservative insider of SDTC, Ms. Verschuren, has robbed Canadians and given herself a bunch of money, and the Conservatives do not even have the courage to admit when they are wrong.

I will give the member another chance. Liberal-Conservative insider Ms. Verschuren, who was chair of SDTC, gave herself millions of dollars. Will the member admit that these donations and her insider affiliation with the Conservatives are wrong?