House of Commons Hansard #356 of the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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4:40 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Madam Speaker, I think my colleague from Chicoutimi—Le Fjord's assessment of the relevance of his colleagues' questions is, shall we say, malleable. When my colleague asked a question, the member said it was off topic, but apparently woodland caribou is on topic.

Anyway, in his speech, he talked about the sponsorship scandal. He often questions the Bloc Québécois's relevance, so I would just like to remind him that the Bloc Québécois asked over 300 questions about the sponsorship scandal. The entire House was accommodating. Stéphane Dion's plan B was to promote the flag, promote Canada and foster a sense of belonging to Canada.

Without the Bloc Québécois, there would have been no Gomery commission, and we would never have gotten to the bottom of this. Can my colleague at least acknowledge that?

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4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Madam Speaker, that is a good question. That is why we are wondering why the Bloc Québécois is keeping this government in power. That is what we are having a hard time with. It would be really easy to bring down this government and trigger an election if we had the Bloc Québécois's support once in a while.

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4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, my colleague's speech was excellent. Could he comment briefly on the fact that corruption seems to start at the very top of the Liberal Party, beginning with the Prime Minister, and has permeated through, all the way down?

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4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Madam Speaker, there is also the matter of public confidence. Canadians are growing increasingly frustrated with this government's lack of accountability. Every day, they tell me that they no longer have confidence in this government. I think that an election should be called as soon as possible for the good of the House.

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4:40 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Madam Speaker, I am rising on a point of order. We have consulted with the other parties, and I hope that if you seek it, you will find consent for the following motion: “That the House (1) recognize the RCMP statement from October 14, 2024 on violent criminal activity occurring in Canada; (2) call for all leaders to take necessary actions to protect Canadians from foreign interference; and (3) call for all federal party leaders to get the appropriate security clearance in the next 30 days.”

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

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Some hon. members

No.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, could you explain why Conservatives said no to this common-sense motion?

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4:40 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I am sorry; that is not a point of order on this particular issue.

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4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I just want to make sure that when we heard that “no”, it was literally from a member running out of the office.

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4:40 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

Getting some clarification is not a point of order on this either.

Order. It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Kitchener Centre, Housing; the hon. member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, Government Accountability; the hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands, Taxation.

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October 22nd, 2024 / 4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise on a genuine point of order, and I would like you to consider it.

It is a rule of the House that in order to vote on a motion, we have to have heard the motion and been in the House for the motion. The member who yelled “no” to the unanimous consent motion was not in the House when the motion was read out.

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4:45 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I am sorry; it does not matter whether they hear the whole motion. As soon as we hear “no”, then the motion is not accepted.

I would just ask members that if they want unanimous consent, they should make sure that all parties are in agreement and that they are able to get it, and maybe give me a little bit of a heads-up and I will know for sure. In the meantime, I would just say that there was no unanimous consent on the motion.

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4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Madam Speaker, just on the point order that was brought up earlier on, I also did say nay, and I was sitting in my position.

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4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Jamil Jivani Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like to ask for unanimous consent that the House call upon the Prime Minister to release the names of the members of Parliament who have knowingly or wittingly collaborated with foreign interference.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

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An hon. member

Nay.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

The hon. member for South Shore—St. Margarets has a habit of interrupting the House when others have the floor. I would ask that, if he wants to have conversations with other members, he do so by stepping out of the chamber or waiting until the appropriate time to take the floor.

The hon. member for Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan has the floor.

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4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Madam Speaker, I have been away for over a week. It is truly is a privilege to speak on behalf of the people of Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan and to be back in the House.

The people of Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan are very compassionate, caring, honest and hard-working people, and they have reached out to me recently in my time of loss. This is the first opportunity since the passing of my mother that I have had a chance to speak in Parliament, and I want to recognize not just my fellow party members but also those from across party boundaries for their kind words to my daughters Saoirse and Eilidh and to me. We have buried and mourned the loss of their Scottish grandmother and my mother, Caroline Tolmie.

She moved to Canada in the early 1960s when Prime Minister Diefenbaker was in office. I am sure the fact that I represent what was once part of his riding brings a smile to both my mother's face and my father's face. My parents immigrated to Canada from bonnie Scotland when Diefenbaker was Prime Minister of our great nation. My mother believed in strong principles. She passed those principles down to me, and I am doing my best to preserve and carry those out for a strong foundation and cornerstones in my life. I am here representing the people of Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan with some of the skill sets and Scottish feistiness that have been passed on to me from my family.

I wish I were speaking about another issue today, one not marred by controversy or that did not have so much hair on it. We could be talking about the cost of living crisis that is impacting Canadians' lives daily and causing stress and duress for people just trying to get by, or we could be talking about the ongoing wars and whether Canada's military is prepared or not. Is it prepared for the instability that the world is experiencing right now? Is the right leadership in charge to stabilize our country and be a positive influence in the turmoil in global affairs that we are experiencing right now?

We could be debating any number of issues that the veterans affairs committee I sit on has been studying, from the recognition of wartime service to the transition to civilian life. Why has the government not recognized veterans in the first Gulf War, the one in which Canada participated in the liberation of Kuwait? Why are our veterans not being recognized for wartime service? More importantly, we could be debating one of the main issues I have been hearing about in my riding since I was elected: axing the carbon tax. Instead we are once again talking about a massive Liberal scandal.

Let us be clear that it is not just a massive Liberal scandal, but another massive Liberal scandal. I have been an MP for only a few years, but it seems as if we are constantly in the middle of stories like this with a tired, scandal-plagued government. To be honest, this is wearing our country down. Even the Liberals are saying that the Prime Minister has no credibility in their ridings and that their one-time supporters are drowning the Prime Minister's voice out. On many occasions, I wish I could do the same. After nine long years, this is yet more proof that the Liberals are just not worth the cost, crime or corruption.

The Speaker ruled that the Liberals violated a House order to turn over evidence to the police for a criminal investigation into this $400-million scandal. Instead of simply abiding by the House order, what has happened? The Liberals have decided to paralyze the House for weeks. It really makes us wonder what could possibly be in those documents that they are so scared of. Is fear the reason we are here?

The Auditor General of Canada found that the Prime Minister turned Sustainable Development Technology Canada, SDTC, into a slush fund for Liberal insiders. This was further corroborated by a recording of a senior civil servant who slammed the outright incompetence of the Trudeau government, which gave 390 million dollars' worth of contracts inappropriately—

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4:50 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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4:50 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I think the hon. member realized that he used the Prime Minister's name and recognized it.

I just want to remind members to make sure that when they write their speeches or when their speeches are written for them, they do not put in the names of parliamentarians.

The hon. member for Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan.

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Madam Speaker, censorship is alive and well. I hear that from my colleagues across the aisle. I understand what their caucus meeting is going to be like tomorrow. I wish we could join them and see how things go. I would bring the popcorn.

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4:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

That is a point of debate. The hon. member knows full well that it is not about censorship; it is about respect for the House. The rules of the House say that you are not to name parliamentarians in the House by their names. You name them by their positions or ridings.

The hon. member for Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan.

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4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Madam Speaker, thank you for your correction. I do recognize your position. It is not always an easy position to be in.

A senior civil servant was screaming from the rooftops about Liberal incompetence and corruption. The Auditor General found that SDTC gave $58 million to 10 ineligible projects that on occasions could not demonstrate an environmental benefit or the development of green technology, $334 million to over 186 projects in which board members held conflicts of interest and $58 million to projects without ensuring contribution agreement terms were met.

Here is what really makes my blood boil when I hear of something like this. Communities across Canada are struggling with aging infrastructure and are begging for a fair and predictable funding model that will help them tackle the backlog of issues they are dealing with. When they hear of this green slush fund and have challenges getting funding and financing for aging infrastructure projects, municipalities get upset, mayors and councillors get upset and taxpayers get upset. I am upset too. The Liberal government is doling out much-needed funds that could be used in communities for important projects essential to a community's operation and survival, such as new water treatment plants, replacing aging waterlines, replacing aging bridges or roads that need upgrading, and building recreational facilities where kids, families and the elderly can get together. Instead, Liberal insiders get the payouts for projects that cannot demonstrate an environmental benefit or the development of green technology.

The Auditor General made it clear that the blame for this scandal falls on the Prime Minister's industry minister, who did not sufficiently monitor the contracts that were given to Liberal insiders. Why would he? SDTC's mandate was supposed to be a federally funded non-profit that approves and disburses over $100 million in funds annually to clean technology companies. However, from the Auditor General's report, this mandate obviously changed and not for the best interests of the Canadian taxpayer.

Sustainable Development Technology Canada was established in 2001 by the Government of Canada through the Canada Foundation for Sustainable Development Technology Act to fund the development and demonstration of new technologies that promote sustainable development. From everything I am reading, it was not doing what it was supposed to do, and the people of Canada are asking for accountability. They want to know why Liberal insiders are getting their pockets filled.

The question I ask is this: Why is an arm's-length not-for-profit organization that was created to support projects that develop and demonstrate new technologies and that address issues related to climate change, air quality, clean water and clean soil being used to line the pockets of friends? I just used the term “arm's length”, but it is more like “hand in pocket”.

The problems with the government are rampant, and they have been going on for far too long. SDTC executives were awarded projects in which they held conflicts to the tune of over 330 million dollars' worth of taxpayer funds. Why did the executives not do their due diligence? Well, it started from the top.

In 2019, the former Liberal industry minister began appointing conflicted executives to the board of SDTC. The Prime Minister's newly appointed board then began voting to give SDTC funding to companies in which executives held active conflicts of interest. Then the governance standards at the fund deteriorated rapidly under the leadership of the new chair. It all started from the top.

How did this come to light? The Auditor General and the Ethics Commissioner initiated separate investigations after whistle-blowers came forward with allegations of financial mismanagement at the fund. The Achilles heel of the Liberal government is financial management. What did the Auditor General say? The Auditor General investigation found severe lapses in the governance standards and uncovered that $390 million in SDTC funding was either awarded to projects that should have been ineligible to receive funding or awarded to projects in which board members were conflicted during the five-year audit report.

There is a clear timeline that tells the story, a horror story, of what has transpired and why we are here today. In late 2018, the former Liberal industry minister expressed concern regarding the Harper-era chair of SDTC, Mr. Jim Balsillie, given his public criticism of government privacy legislation. The minister's office expressed its discomfort with Mr. Balsillie's comments to the CEO of SDTC and requested that the chair stop criticizing government legislation. There was no censorship happening here; just look away.

The minister then proposed two alternative chairs to the CEO of SDTC as replacements in a phone call. One of the candidates proposed was Ms. Verschuren, an entrepreneur who was receiving SDTC funding through one of her companies.

What happened next? The minister, the PMO and the PCO were warned of the risks associated with appointing a conflicted chair and were told that up until that point, the fund had never had a chair with interests in companies receiving funding from SDTC. That was a very clear warning and was, I might add, very good advice.

In June 2019, the minister decided to proceed with the appointment despite repeated warnings expressed by his office not to do so. He did not need advice. The new chair went on to create an environment where conflicts of interest were tolerated and managed by board members. Why not? It was allowed from the top level, so they could do it too.

Board members went on to award SDTC funding to companies in which board members held stock or positions within the company. Their investments were funded by the taxpayers of Canada. How tragic. However, wait, we are not done yet. The minister went on to appoint two other controversial board members, who engaged in unethical behaviour in breach of the Conflict of Interest Act by approving funding for companies in which they held ownership stakes. The cycle continued, to pad the pockets of their friends even more.

ISED officials witnessed 186 conflicts at the board but did not intervene. On January 21, the new minister of industry was appointed. Did he clean up the mess? No. In November 2022, whistle-blowers raised internal concerns with the Auditor General about unethical practices as SDTC. The Privy Council was briefed by the whistle-blowers about the allegations shortly after and commissioned two independent reports.

Not far behind, the whistle-blowers took the allegations public, and the new minister was forced to agree and then suspend funding to SDTC. Just last year, in November 2023, the Auditor General announced an audit of SDTC, which revealed and confirmed the horror story that I have just shared. In June 2024, the Auditor General's report was released, and it found severe governance failures at SDTC.

Only common-sense Conservatives would end the corruption and get answers for Canadians. I say this because it is true, and it is worth repeating. Conservatives recognize that there is only one taxpayer. I am not sure if I have said this before, and I do not like repeating myself, but I will say it again: Conservatives recognize that there is only one taxpayer.

The House could be debating any number of topics, such as the doubling of housing costs, Liberal food inflation or crime and chaos exploding across Canada. Why are people paying more in taxes than they are on the essentials they need to keep their families going? The tired, corrupt government has instead decided to paralyze the work of the House.

It is worth pointing out that this is not just one instance of corruption and spending practices. It is an ongoing cycle. These are Liberal appointees who handed over $400 million in tax dollars to their own companies, which involved 186 separate conflicts of interest. This must stop. The government must hand over the papers.

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5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I want to go back to the very beginning of the member's speech, 20 minutes ago, when he admitted that he was one of the people who said no to the unanimous consent motion that the NDP put forward. Importantly, that unanimous consent motion was for every leader of a political party to get a security clearance within 30 days. The member said he said no to that. That is how he started off his speech.

Can the member inform the House why he said no to that motion? Why does he believe that the Leader of the Opposition, the leader of his Conservative Party, should not have a security clearance?