House of Commons Hansard #359 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

Topics

Public Services and ProcurementOral Questions

Noon

Pickering—Uxbridge Ontario

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety

Mr. Speaker, once again we see the Conservatives completely misleading Canadians. It was under the Conservative government that these contracts first began with these principled employees. They talk about getting out of the way, but they were the ones who oversaw a procurement process that had these same individuals receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in contracts.

We have put in place, through the CBSA, a number of measures to ensure that our procurement process is robust, and we will continue to work to make sure that there is transparency in our system, something Conservatives failed to do.

Innovation, Science and IndustryOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Speaker, after nine years of the NDP-Liberal government, taxes are up, costs are up, crime is up and time is up. The Speaker ruled that the Liberals violated a House order to turn over evidence for a criminal investigation into their latest $400-million scandal. When Canadians cannot afford to eat, heat or house themselves, Parliament should not have to focus on ending a Liberal scandal.

Will the NDP-Liberals end this cover-up and give proof to the police so we can get accountability for corruption and Parliament can get working again?

Innovation, Science and IndustryOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, what we need is accountability to Canadians and to know why the Conservative Party continues to filibuster the business of the House of Commons.

Nothing has really changed, because when it comes to the business of the House of Commons, one prime minister, Stephen Harper, is the only prime minister to ever be held in contempt of Parliament. Who was his parliamentary secretary at the time? It was today's leader of the Conservative Party. Today's leader of the Conservative Party still refuses to get the security clearance that is necessary so he can become informed about foreign interference.

What is the leader of the Conservative Party hiding? What is he not telling Canadians?

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Mr. Speaker, in the last year, we have learned that many countries, including India, Iran, Russia and China, are involved in foreign interference in Canada. In fact, last week we learned that agents of the Indian government are involved in serious criminal activity in Canada, including the murder of Canadian citizens. It is time for all parties to put politics aside and show Canadians that we stand together against foreign interference.

Can the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice tell the House why it is important for all party leaders to obtain their security clearance and protect Canadians?

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Etobicoke—Lakeshore Ontario

Liberal

James Maloney LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada

Mr. Speaker, yesterday we learned the leader of the Bloc Québécois received his security clearance. The only leader in the House who has refused to get the security clearance, and continues to put his head in the sand, is the leader of the official opposition, the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada. Therefore, I repeat, in terms that he can understand: Get the clearance, take the briefing and please help us defend this country.

TransportationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, the government continues to ignore the people of Windsor-Essex by allowing hazardous material to cross the Ambassador Bridge in a shady deal. We know the border officers will not even get the proper training they need to deal with the eventual disasters that will occur. Instead of detailed in-person courses to go over what to do in the case of disasters, the officials are learning from two slides in an online slide show.

The Liberals continue to cave to the Ambassador Bridge lobbyists to be able to board up homes, to get special privileges and now to line their pockets with hazmat money. Are the Liberals going to choose safety of our environment and economy, or the lobby interests of a U.S. billionaire and his empire?

TransportationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Niagara Centre Ontario

Liberal

Vance Badawey LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport

Mr. Speaker, as the member knows, because we have been discussing this issue for the past few months, Transport Canada is in discussions currently not only with the member but also with the province and the city. It is an issue that we are taking seriously and we will resolve.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, a recent article and detailed study in Canada's National Observer pointed out that the Pest Management Regulatory Agency worked hand in glove with the pesticide manufacturer Bayer to stop the impending ban of dangerous neonicotinoid insecticides posing threats to human health and the environment.

My question is simple: Will the government ban these insecticides and do an investigation to stop having our Pest Management Regulatory Agency defend manufacturers and start defending Canadians?

Agriculture and Agri-FoodOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Ottawa Centre Ontario

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health

Mr. Speaker, we are committed to ensuring that pesticides used in Canada are safe for human health and the environment. All pesticides undergo a rigorous scientific review process prior to being approved for sale in Canada, and they are regularly reviewed to ensure they continue to meet health and safety standards. We take the concerns raised in the research by Dr. Christy Morrissey seriously, and the PMRA is examining the concerns raised.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodOral Questions

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. As you know, during S.O. 31s, or at any other time, members are not supposed to be using props. However, members cannot stand up and challenge a person for using a prop. The member for Bow River was in fact using a prop during his S.O. statement, and I believe you should take a look, see what was being used as a prop and either come back or, at the very least, provide a warning.

Agriculture and Agri-FoodOral Questions

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I thank the hon. parliamentary secretary for raising this point. If it is necessary, the Chair will come back to the House.

Consumer ProtectionPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today to present a petition on behalf of my constituents.

This is the first time I have presented this petition. It deals with a practice of online gaming companies to implement planned obsolescence. If a consumer buys a product, they want to be able to continue to use it. The online gaming companies will withdraw the service if the consumer does not continue to use their server and Internet provider of choice.

We ask the government to investigate this process and protect consumer rights in the acquisition of gaming devices. Consumers have every right to expect a lifetime of service for the products they have paid for.

SeniorsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is a tremendous honour to present a petition in two parts from activists for seniors in the North Okanagan, particularly around the city of Vernon. They are calling on the Government of Canada to provide a universal livable income, indexed to the cost of living, for Canadian citizens 65 and over. We think this is probably a way forward to deal with difficulties that our seniors are facing and we trust there will be a good, comprehensive and positive response from the government.

Brain CancerPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Mr. Speaker, with yesterday being Brain Cancer Awareness Day, I am pleased to present a petition on that subject. The petitioners note that an estimated 27 Canadians are diagnosed with a brain tumour each day. Fewer than three in 10 Canadians diagnosed with a tumour survive five years after their diagnosis. Brain cancer research is critically underfunded in Canada. Canada is years behind the U.S. in approving new drugs and treatments. Even when brain cancer therapies are approved, they are not always made equally accessible across the country. There continues to be a shortage of brain cancer drugs.

Accordingly, the petitioners call on the Government of Canada to increase funding for brain cancer research; work with the provinces and territories to ensure that drugs, medical devices and new therapies are accessible to brain cancer patients nationwide; and remove unnecessary red tape so brain cancer drugs can be approved more quickly.

Open Net-Pen Salmon FarmingPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Mr. Speaker, today I rise to table a petition presented by Sonia Strobel, co-founder and CEO of Skipper Otto community-supported fishery, along with 4,645 signatories, asking the government to move ahead with the transition away from open net-pen salmon farming on Canada's Pacific coast. Constituents and stakeholders across sectors have been very concerned about the harms of open net-pen salmon farms and the pace of the government's move to implement the transition by 2025, as promised. Although the government has recently confirmed its plans to move away from open net-pen salmon farms and published a draft transition plan, concerns remain about the substance of this plan and the timelines involved.

This petition was opened before the announcement, but it is still highly relevant as it clearly demonstrates that petitioners, including first nations and commercial and recreational fishers, are coming together to urge the government to move ahead rapidly with the plan and implement it by 2025, as promised, although it is now clear that this date may not be met.

Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl SubstancesPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present a petition from about 100 individuals, which has been led by the member for New Westminster—Burnaby, with regard to firefighters and the banning of PFAS chemicals in firefighter gear and firefighting foam.

I also want to recognize Windsor Fire and Rescue Services for its hard work. I am in this position because of the good tutelage of Ron Jones, a former district captain and firefighter, who has been supporting me on this issue and other things. I also want to note that these firefighters are opposed to the hazardous material that is now going to be allowed over the Ambassador Bridge.

The chemicals found in the materials of their uniforms and in the foam can cause human health issues. Firefighters often have a higher risk of cancer, respiratory diseases and other types of things because of the service they do. These petitioners are joining with many in other places across the country in the call to reduce the exposure of chemicals in the life of firefighters.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that all questions be allowed to stand at this time.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

Is that agreed?

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The House resumed consideration of the motion, of the amendment and of the amendment to the amendment.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

October 25th, 2024 / 12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would like to do a quick recap for anyone who missed the first part of my speech before QP. I started by saying why we have been here for three weeks debating a parliamentary privilege motion. I explained that it is because the Liberals will not produce the documents the Speaker ordered and that it is related to the green slush fund and the $400-million scandal, so no government business or private members' business can come forward until they produce the documents. That is what we are waiting for.

I started to debunk the myths of the weak reasons the Liberals have given for why they cannot produce the documents, beginning with their claim that giving the documents to the RCMP would be a violation of people's charter rights. This is absolutely not true. The police and the RCMP get tips all the time, for example through Crime Stoppers, phone calls and documents about criminal activity, and they have to exercise due diligence by looking into the evidence that is presented. If they do find evidence of criminality, then they need to go to the courts and request the documents formally so they can be used in a court case.

That is the law, so the argument is just a total red herring from the Liberals.

I talked about the Liberals' hypocrisy in even talking about charter rights, since they have violated every one of them, and I went down the whole list. I did not get to indigenous rights because if we started talking about the way they have violated those, we would be here all day. Therefore I will move along to my second point.

The Liberals have claimed that there needs to be more separation between Parliament and the RCMP. Certainly I agree that there should be separation. The job of the RCMP is to enforce the rule of law for everybody equally. I think that we are what our record says we are, so let us look at the record of the relationship and the separation between the RCMP and the Liberal government.

Let us start with the billionaire's island fiasco. Members may remember that the Prime Minister wasted 215,000 dollars' worth of taxpayer money. It was alleged that if he did not give himself written permission, it was actually fraud. The internal RCMP documents showed that the force considered opening a fraud investigation after details of the trip came to light, but it cited numerous reasons why it did not, including the fact that neither Parliament nor the Ethics Commissioner chose to refer the case to the police.

We can see from that, first of all, that the RCMP does accept documents from Parliament. We can also see that there was no evidence of whether or not the Prime Minister granted himself permission to go on the billionaire's island trip. If he did not, he definitely had committed fraud. The RCMP did not even bother to investigate.

Next is the SNC-Lavalin scandal. We know that Jody Wilson-Raybould was clear with the Prime Minister and Elder Marques that they absolutely could not talk to the prosecutor about getting SNC-Lavalin the deal to get it off the hook. The Prime Minister kicked Jody Wilson-Raybould to the curb and put his buddy David Lametti in place, and voila, SNC-Lavalin had the agreement it needed in order to get off the hook.

Did the RCMP investigate this? No, it did not, until four years after the fact, after Brenda Lucki retired, when the RCMP decided it was going to start investigating. Interestingly, as soon as it announced that, David Lametti was kicked out of cabinet and ended up stepping down as an MP.

Let us talk about the Brenda Lucki situation. In the Nova Scotia massacre, it was clear that the RCMP was working on behalf of Parliament, with the Liberal government. An article from the National Post says:

In June, the Mass Casualty Commission revealed disputes between RCMP investigators in Nova Scotia and the commissioner, with allegations Lucki let the politics interfere with the probe.

Notes from the Mountie in charge of the massacre investigation said that on a conference call, Lucki expressed disappointment the types of guns used by the killer had not been released to the public because she had promised the Prime Minister's Office and the public safety minister the guns would be detailed, tied to pending gun control legislation.

There is not a lot of separation there.

Now let us talk about the WE Charity scandal. Subsection 119(1) of the Criminal Code outlines that it is illegal for a holder of public office to take an action that benefits themself or their family. It is clear to everyone that the Prime Minister took an action by approving nearly a billion dollars for the WE Charity scandal.

We all know that his mother, his brother and his wife were paid by the WE Charity to do speaking engagements. According to a BBC News article, the Prime Minister said, “I made a mistake for not recusing myself from the discussions immediately, given my family's history”. He did not make a mistake; he broke the law. Again, the RCMP did nothing. If we look at the history, we see that there is not enough separation; there needs to be more.

If we go on to the next thing, they are claiming there is really nothing to see. However, a whistle-blower said there was criminal activity. We should at least get the documents the Speaker correctly ordered, and we should get to work on that.

However, it is a pattern of corruption. We have seen that with the government from the beginning. Since I was elected in 2015, there has been a history of corruption, not just at the Prime Minister's level but throughout the Liberal Party.

If we recall, there was Raj Grewal, a former MP, who was charged with fraud; Joe Peschisolido, a former Liberal MP, whose company was involved in and charged with a money laundering scam; Hunter Tootoo and Darshan Singh Kang, who were charged with sexual misconduct; the current Minister of Public Safety, in the clam scam, who gave a $25-million clam quota to his relative and a company that did not even own a boat, which was terrible; and the Minister of Transport, who gave money to her husband's company. It is a total conflict of interest.

The government is showing that it has this pattern of behaviour, and whenever the Liberals are caught, they do the obvious: They delay and refuse to release documents, or they release them all redacted. That needs to stop. Canadians have a right to know what happened to the $400 million and to get to the bottom of it.

The good news is that, while we continue to debate the parliamentary privilege part of this situation, no government bills can come forward. Therefore, the awful legislation the Liberals are trying to bring forward is not going to happen. For example, Bill C-63, which would put someone in jail for life if the government thought they might commit a hate crime in the future, is not going to come forward, nor is Bill C-71, which would take the children of Canadian citizens who live abroad, children who have never lived in Canada, and grant them Canadian citizenship. When they turned 18, they would be able to vote and decide, on their honour, where they wanted their vote to count. That is a new level of foreign interference, so I am happy that one is not coming forward.

Of course, we will also not see the bill that changes the date of the election so that MPs who lose their seat still get their pension. That will not be coming forward either. Nevertheless, it is an absolute disgrace to Canadians that money, $400 million, has basically been given out with 186 conflicts of interest. They act as though there is nothing to see here. It is totally unacceptable, and if the government wants to get back to work, the Liberals should do the right thing. They should produce the unredacted documents as the Speaker has requested.

Mr. Speaker, is there quorum?

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

12:25 p.m.

Bloc

The Acting Speaker Bloc Gabriel Ste-Marie

I thank the hon. member for raising the question. There does not seem to be quorum right now. We will check and ring the bells if needed.

And the count having been taken:

We have quorum.

The hon. member for Sarnia—Lambton has five minutes to finish her speech.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Mr. Speaker, when it comes to this green slush fund, I think one of the most disturbing things about it is that the Minister of Environment and Climate Change was part of the cabinet that approved the money for the green slush fund. He was part of the cabinet that chose the committee members who were going to decide who got the money, and the committee members gave the money to a company called Cycle Capital, which he is a stakeholder in. Once again, the Criminal Code in section 119(1) says that no holder of public office can take an action that benefits themselves or their family. I would argue that this is another example that should be looked into by the RCMP.

That said, how do we get Canadians' money back? Many of the companies that were awarded money were not even doing something to reduce emissions or introduce green technology. This was a fund that had existed since 2001 and never had any problems until this Liberal government got involved. This makes me wonder about other funds that it is managing and whether the same level of corruption is happening, because the Auditor General said that 80% of the projects had a conflict of interest. This is simply unacceptable, and I think that we need to get to the bottom of it.

My hope is that we see these documents produced in due time. It should not take long, because the documents already exist. The Auditor General audited them, so they should be able to be produced, and we should give them to the RCMP, because knowing where to look for criminal activity is going to be key. The Liberals have argued the RCMP has the right to request documents, but it does not know which ones it wants, so that is why we have asked for all of the documents that are related to the slush fund so that we can give the RCMP all the information it needs and it can look through it. If it does see evidence of criminal activity, it will then go to court and formally order the documents so they can be used in a criminal prosecution. That is the way things are supposed to work.

The other arguments we have heard from the Liberals have been very weak, and it is the same thing every time that there is a problem with documents. They say they want to send issue to committee and that this is what the motion is all about, but no, the motion is to produce the documents unredacted, because if it goes to committee, what will happen is what always happens, like with the WE Charity scandal, and all the other scandals I talked about. The Liberals will filibuster those meetings to keep the documents from coming forward, or they will work with their NDP partners to adjourn the debate, and that is the way things go. That is why we do not get to the bottom of these scandals; that is why these scandals keep occurring. The number of scandals that we have seen is really unbelievable.

I think the sad part of freezing the Sustainable Development Technology fund because of this scandal and the corruption is that it has impacted people. It has impacted a company in my riding that was getting funding to make green battery technology, which is actually quite interesting technology. It is portable. People can put it in their backpack and use it to charge devices if they are in the military or out in a place where there is no power, and all kinds of interesting things like that. The company is called AlumaPower, but now it is in the valley of death from a commercialization point of view, because of the freezing of this fund, all relating back again to the corruption of this government, which needs to come to an end with a carbon tax election.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am looking for Bill Murray over there somewhere, because we have Groundhog Day, as performed by the Conservative Party of Canada.

What we actually have is the threat that the Conservatives are following a route that ended in utter disaster for them when Mr. Harper was prime minister. They brought forward around 11 tough-on-crime pieces of legislation, and by my count, eight of the 11 were tossed out by the Supreme Court of Canada, because they offended the charter. Both the Auditor General and the RCMP have cited this as a really big risk that could happen again if the motion, as amended by the Conservatives, is actually allowed to go forward.

What can the hon. member say about avoiding that problem that has repeated itself here?

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Mr. Speaker, what I would say is this: I have actually sought a legal opinion about whether it is appropriate for us to give documentation to the RCMP. That opinion is that the RCMP gets tips all the time. People present evidence of what they think is criminal activity, and the RCMP can investigate that. It does not put anyone in jeopardy and is not going to affect anything, because if the RCMP does decide to prosecute criminally, it has to then go back to the courts and request the documents formally so they come through in the proper way to do a criminal court case.

However, the thing of it is that if the RCMP does not know where to look, there are a lot of documents involved in the slush fund. We need to help it do its job.