House of Commons Hansard #376 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was cbc.

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U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

7:40 p.m.

Carleton Ontario

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre ConservativeLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, I am rising in the House today to speak out against President-elect Trump's threat of imposing tariffs on Canada, to propose a real action plan to respond to that threat and to put Canada first.

We have a president south of the border who has made it clear he wants to put American workers and American security first. That is his right, but he and everyone else should know that when I am prime minister, we will have a head of government who puts Canada's workers and Canada's security first. That includes maintaining the most successful trade relationship the world has ever seen.

This is the world's longest-ever defended border. Two billion dollars of goods go across that border every day. Just to put that into perspective, more goods go between Canada and the U.S. in a few days than between the U.S. and Japan in an entire month. The Canada-U.S. border is 5,525 miles long if we include Alaska. It has 120 border crossings that facilitate 350,000 daily crossings; that is in addition to the merchandise that goes each way. The sheer volume of this relationship requires intricate planning and precision to get these goods moving back and forth. An automobile will cross the border seven times before it is completed and sent off to market.

By the way, the Americans should understand that we are pretty important to them too. The reality is that Canada purchases more goods from the United States than does the entire European Union, despite Canada's population being one-fifteenth that of Europe. Canada is the top export destination for 31 U.S. states. The two countries have a thoroughly interconnected manufacturing supply chain and we are completely reliant on each other for energy. Energy infrastructure between our two countries is so interconnected that we have 35 major electrical transmission lines and 70 oil and gas pipelines across the border. Canada provides 40% of U.S. crude imports, making it America's largest foreign energy supplier. This is something that President Trump should care about if he intends to keep his promise to cut gas prices in half; he is going to need our oil and our energy in order to do that. We are going to need continued access to the American economy if we are to succeed. We trade twice as much with the United States as we do with the rest of the world combined.

Some people dream of simply replacing the United States with other countries. These are dreams that have been talked about since the first Trudeau, who promised that we would do business with many other countries elsewhere in the world. That never happened. In fact, the weight of the American economy has increased. The share of global GDP controlled by the United States is increasing. All of the predictions that China would overtake the United States have not come true. The gap between China and the United States is widening because China has decided to return to socialist, centralized, government-planned policies. That has slowed growth in China, while American capitalism has continued to generate wealth.

That is the reality. Even if some oppose it for ideological reasons, no economic force in the world is more powerful than American capitalism. That is the reality. However, this capitalism does not work without international trade, especially with allied countries like Canada, and Canada is the United States' best ally in the world. That is why we need to protect this relationship. We need a plan for our economy and our security.

Let us be honest. We enter this crisis in a state of weakness. We have a weakened economy, a weakened military and, most of all, a weakened Prime Minister. That weakness may have been one of the reasons President Trump believed that he could make these threats and trample all over the Prime Minister again.

The sad reality is our GDP per capita is smaller than it was 10 years ago, even while the American economy per capita has grown by 18%. Our per capita GDP fell more than any other G7 country since the year before COVID. We are one of the only countries that has not recovered its economy since before COVID happened. In reality, our housing costs, our national debt and food bank use have all doubled in the last four years, all of this before the threat of these tariffs.

Before the threat of these tariffs, food prices had increased 37% faster in Canada than in the United States of America. Before the threat of these tariffs, our national debt had grown by over 100% in a decade. Before the threat of these tariffs, half a trillion dollars U.S. more in Canadian investment went south than came back. That is Canadian investment dollars building American mines, factories and pipelines paying American, not Canadian, wages.

On top of that, the threats that we heard last night should have come as no surprise, yet, for some reason, they did surprise the Prime Minister and the finance minister. It was only 20 days ago that the finance minister said Canada will be fine, there is nothing to worry about. They should have seen this coming a mile away. President Trump had been saying he would do this. He was elected three weeks ago. We would think the Prime Minister would have been furiously planning and preparing, meeting with the premiers and talking about a counter-plan during that time.

Now we learn that since the threat happened, he has come up with exactly one response. He is going to hold a Zoom call tomorrow. The media is absolutely captivated by this development that there is going to be a Zoom call between 11 or 12 politicians and that this is somehow going to solve the problem. We need a real plan and real action that will defend our economy and our security and, most of all, put Canada first.

We need a real Canada first plan for the economy and security.

First, the debate is over. There can be no tax increases. The tax increases the Prime Minister proposed on work, investment and energy were irresponsible and destructive all along, but now they are economic suicide.

Let us think about the impact that a 61¢-a-litre carbon tax would have when the tax is zero south of the border. President Trump has made it clear that he wants our jobs and businesses. We can only imagine his economic development teams calling trucking companies, factories and forestry enterprises telling them they are facing a 61¢-a-litre carbon tax north of the border, but that if they drive 50 kilometres south, there is no carbon tax. By the way, business and personal taxes are already much lower in the U.S. and will drop further. There will be a powerful sucking sound of jobs, businesses and money leaving our country to enrich the United States.

This is like a tariff imposed by our own government on our own economy. Compounded with a rail tariff from the United States of America, this would cripple our economy. Therefore, we are calling for the Prime Minister to announce today that he will cancel all tax increases on energy, on work and on businesses. Let us give our people a fighting chance to save their jobs.

Second, Canadian energy is not the enemy. Our energy sector is our number one net export, yet the Prime Minister has made it explicit that he wants to phase out that sector. He has blocked two pipelines. He blocked the Teck Frontier mine and has prevented us from building even a single, solitary LNG liquefaction plant, which by the way would have allowed us to ship our natural gas to countries other than the United States. Right now, because the Prime Minister has blocked LNG liquefaction on both coasts, we are stuck giving every single cubic foot of LNG we export to the Americans, on their terms, so they can liquefy it, upgrade it and turn it into a profit, something to which presumably the 25% tariff would apply.

We need to end this madness. First of all, we must announce, here and now, the cancellation of the production cut for the Canadian oil and gas sector.

We need to announce today that we are going to fast-track the approval of LNG liquefaction plants for export overseas, not just to the United States, in order to displace coal, reduce global emissions, and sidestep the U.S.'s monopoly control over our natural gas.

If we approve LNG liquefaction plants, we can take advantage of the shipping distances to both Asia and Europe, which are half as long compared to those of the Americans. We should go around the Americans and send out our gas to displace dirty dictator energy, reduce coal-fire burning and use our clean Canadian hydro to liquefy it. We can send it off to Europe to break the European dependence on Putin and turn dollars for dictators into paycheques for the people in this country.

We have to rebuild our military. The link between defence and the economy is now clear. Our allies, especially the Americans, expect us to be able to defend the continent alongside them and to confront the real threats to our security.

Looking at the state of our military, it is severely weakened after nine years of the Prime Minister. In 2023, Canada spent more money on consultants and professional services than we did on our army, navy and air force combined. The army spent $34 million on new sleeping bags that are not even suitable for Canadian winters. Half of military vehicles are not fit to deploy. We have run out of ammunition, 155-millimetre artillery shells, with no plans to reload. The Prime Minister spends millions on Liberal-linked green companies, but he is not able to provide the necessary shells and ammo to fire on a potential future enemy. The Liberal government has now announced that it will cut a further billion dollars from the budget.

Canadian troops in Latvia had to buy their own helmets, rain gear and vests. Canadian troops in Poland are not being reimbursed for their meals. DND is hiking rents on soldiers, even as it struggles to retain and recruit members. The military is short 16,500 servicemen and servicewomen, but only recruited a total of 4,000 in all of last year.

Weird, woke and wasteful obsessions undermine our military and drive down recruitment. The reason the Canadian military cannot recruit is that young men and women do not want anything to do with the divisive identity politics that are being imposed on the forces by the Liberal government. However, rather than fixing this problem, the minister in question is more worried about banning a navy marching song that is not politically correct.

The woke political agenda is dividing us and distracting us from our work. Young men and women want nothing to do with the woke agenda. They want to fight for our country. They want to be proud of the Canadian flag.

We are going to get rid of the woke political agenda and recruit proud young Canadians to support our armed forces.

We will have a warrior culture, not a woke culture.

We know this is all going to cost money, and that will be difficult because we will inherit a dumpster fire of a budget. We know that Canadian families are the most indebted in the G7. The national debt has doubled in size, and the Prime Minister's spending is still out of control. He has added more debt than the 22 prior prime ministers combined and keeps piling it on. By the way, his big priority now is to take GST off potato chips. Imagine that being the economic priority in the environment we are in today.

The Conservatives have a real plan, a plan that we will build out between now and the next election. It is a common-sense plan that will cut back on foreign aid to dictators, terrorists and global bureaucracies. It will eliminate useless back office bureaucracies and procurement boondoggles, and redirect the billions in savings to rebuilding our forces.

This is how we will do it. We will expand our presence in the north to keep Beijing and the Russians out. We will secure the continent against attacks and threats with the world's best cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, and optical and drone technology. We will expand the reserves and make sure they are trained for both the military and civilian economy so they are ready to be called on, God forbid, in the event of war. We will get more bang for our buck, as we proved we could do under the previous Conservative government.

Yes, we had a lean, mean fighting machine. Yes, we were efficient. However, under the previous Conservative government, with that efficient spending, we were able to buy five Globemasters, a massive strategic aircraft; 17 Hercules aircraft; Chinook helicopters; and Leopard 2 tanks, and we refurbished our refuelling vessels. The list goes on. By the way, we were able to help our American friends destroy ISIS and al Qaeda. At that time, they had no concerns about us carrying our weight because we were punching above our weight, which protected our security and our economy.

Then there is the border. We need to resecure our border as part of this plan. CBS reported:

...the Department of Justice charged Muhammad Shahzeb Khan, a 20-year-old Pakistani citizen living in Canada, with plotting to conduct an ISIS inspired attack on a New York Jewish Center.... Khan was arrested in Ormstown in Quebec, Canada, just 12 miles from the U.S....

This is on top of another ISIS fighter who came into Canada and got citizenship after allegedly being videotaped cutting up a human body on a crucifix in the Middle East.

We have to screen people coming into our country. We have to identify threats and interrupt them before they harm us or our allies. There are 4.9 million permits and visas for people in Canada today who are not citizens or permanent residents that will run out in December of next year. Many of them are great people, but when their permits run out and they are not renewed, they must leave.

We need a plan from the government on how it is going to get these millions of people to go back to their home countries and not be tempted by a stronger U.S. economy to cross into the U.S., thus threatening the security of the border and turning the Americans against us. We must also crack down on drugs, scan shipping containers and get our people into treatment and recovery to bring them home drug-free, not to please Donald Trump but to prevent more tragic deaths of our people.

All of this is to say that we need to put our country and our people first. In the words of Laurier, the great motto must be “Canada first, Canada last, Canada always”.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, one could easily talk about how the defence spending of the leader of the Conservative Party, while a member of cabinet, was the lowest as a percentage GDP. That is a relatively minor but significant point that I would say to the leader of the Conservative Party.

The Deputy Prime Minister, in 10 minutes, talked about a team Canada approach and talked about stakeholders. Let me remind individuals following the debate that the Donald Trump issue is very serious for Canada. We have the experience. We have demonstrated that.

When negotiations got tough in the last go-around, the Conservative Party, with its current leader, capitulated and said to just make a deal. We said we were going to make a deal that is in the best interests of Canadians. Now he wants to flip-flop. Why should Canadians have any trust in the Conservative leader regarding trade negotiations with the United States given their importance?

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I note that the Prime Minister was not courageous enough to debate me here directly on this today. He should be here in the House debating the future of protecting our trade. Secondly—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have a point of order.

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

There are no points of order this evening; we are on autopilot.

Just as a reminder to the leader, we cannot say whether someone is here or not.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, in the last round of negotiations, we remember what happened: The Prime Minister capitulated. He did not get us an exemption to buy America, as the earlier prime minister Stephen Harper had successfully done. Not only is buy America still in place, but it now applies to all levels of U.S. government procurement, which it never did before.

The Prime Minister did not get us out of the softwood lumber tariffs the way the earlier leader Stephen Harper had. Harper secured a reimbursement of the softwood lumber tariffs and put an end to the tariffs for 10 years. They were reimposed under the Prime Minister and have been doubled by President Biden.

The Prime Minister had nine years and three presidents, and he was not able to fix what former prime minister Harper did in about three months. Then the Americans and Mexicans signed the USMCA, walked it over to the Prime Minister and said to take it or leave it, and guess what. He took it and now we are all taking it.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I do not think a country can be run like an ad agency. I do not think that serious problems can be resolved by chanting incantations. Repeating “Canada first”, “triple, triple, triple” and “axe the tax” has never fixed anything. For 20 minutes, all I heard from the official opposition leader was empty slogans. I think he can reassure Canadians, and I will give him a chance: Can he tell us what his famous plan looks like?

I would also like his idiot MP to shut up and stop heckling me.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I apologize for saying we cannot have points of order. We can.

I did not hear what happened, but the member for Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis is rising on a point of order.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dominique Vien Conservative Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Jonquière called one our colleagues an idiot. That is unacceptable and we will not tolerate it. It is zero tolerance here.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I was being heckled while I was asking my question. I will withdraw the word I used to describe my colleague, but I recommend that all the Conservative members put what the member herself just said into practice.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, at least the Bloc member is speaking up for once. The Liberal government has been threatening his region with an order against the forestry sector for months now, but we have not heard a word from that member. The two Bloc members who live in that region are doing nothing. Some Bloc members have even supported the federal government's power to impose a radical order that will kill jobs in Saguenay—Lac-Saint-Jean.

Fortunately, the member for Chicoutimi—Le Fjord is the voice defending all workers in Quebec's regions. I will reverse the order, and I will also fight for softwood lumber workers to protect their jobs, because it is clear that the Bloc Québécois has never done anything.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:10 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, one thing that is critical to this discussion tonight, which we highlighted in the request to have this debate, is that Donald Trump questioned the Canadian border in particular. In fact, his 25% tariff is tied directly to the argument he makes that crime and drugs are coming across the northern border, similar to the southern border. That is the reason for the tariff.

As New Democrats, we have proposed to continue to train more officers under the CBSA, as it is short 2,000 to 3,000 officers at this moment, and expand its powers, which could have been done since 1932, to allow it do more of the type of work that is consistent with the RCMP. We also want to make sure the training of officers can be done back in their regions to enhance the application process.

I want to ask a specific question, because this is important. In this last part—

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I will let the hon. member finish up his question.

The hon. member for Manicouagan on a point of order.

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8:10 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry, but you can see why it is sometimes difficult for francophones in the House. I think everyone would agree. We try to listen to the interpretation even when there is heckling or someone is singing Y.M.C.A. in the House. It is just that there is a lot of noise. It has been a bit difficult for us since the beginning of the sitting.

Out of respect for the interpreters too, I would appreciate it if the Speaker could issue a reminder.

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I certainly appreciate the comment.

I will ask the hon. members to keep the noise down so we can get through the questions and comments section of this.

I will allow the hon. member for Windsor West to finish up his question.

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8:10 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, another practical element is opening up new training facilities for our CBSA officers. Going directly to a matter that is very important in terms of this Parliament, the Conservatives voted against a supplementary budget of $26 million to our CBSA officers.

On top of that, the member for Carleton was part of a cabinet that cut $120 million from CBSA, laid off 1,100 officers and also reduced the capabilities for them to work with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies in the United States on their border patrols, directly resulting from the cuts.

Does the member for Carleton now wish to apologize for axing those workers and axing the officers who defend our border, which is now putting the situation of our trade in jeopardy with Donald J. Trump?

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, no, because in fact we increased the number of frontline CBSA officers, and we actually armed them. Furthermore, what we spent less money on was back-office bureaucracy and consultants. This member is busy bragging that he voted for a more expensive CBSA. Yes; it went to consultants. The money did not go to boots on the ground. Tens of millions of dollars went to back-office bureaucrats and high-priced consultants, which increased the burden on taxpayers without increasing the security at the border. That is the fundamental difference.

We delivered more border security at a lower price. The fact that it costed less for us to secure the border is actually a plus. The NDP does not understand. When we deliver a better result at a lower price to taxpayers, that is a good thing, and they will get more of it when I am prime minister.

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I want to underline that I did hear a lot of comments in the background. We just ask for people to be quiet, but I did hear the hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby trying to comment all along. If he wants to ask questions, I am sure he can stand and ask questions.

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8:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Williams Conservative Bay of Quinte, ON

Mr. Speaker, something else incredible happened after the failed negotiations of CUSMA. Canada was the U.S.A.'s number one trading partner for goods. It is now number three. Mexico is number one. It is amazing. It happened because Canada was kicked to the sidelines during those negotiations. We all know the rest of the story. The average American worker now makes $22,000 more than the average Canadian. Half a trillion dollars has been sucked down to the U.S.

My question for the future prime minister of Canada is, can he tell the House how he will stand up for Canadian workers, their paycheques and our security?

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Speaker, we need a bring-it-home tax cut. The reality is that rising taxes and increasing delays to approve massive projects have driven half a trillion dollars of investment south of the border. In 10 years, we have gone from The New York Times printing a headline that says, “[Welcome to] Canada, Home of the World's Most Affluent Middle Class”, an article in which it stated that Canada's median income was equal to that of the United States, to the present state where the American per capita income is $22,000 higher than ours. This is the worst gap in a century.

This is directly a result of high taxes and heavy burdens on our economy. We will reform and cut taxes with the goal of bringing home production and paycheques to our workers. In other words, let us put Canada first.

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

M. Mario Simard: Mr. Speaker, could we please have silence?