House of Commons Hansard #379 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Decorum

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I would like to make a brief statement concerning some events that transpired yesterday at the end of the sitting. Those present in person witnessed behaviours that went against the normal expectations in terms of decorum. The last vote, in particular, was characterized by disturbances; some members shouted and others made gestures, with the presumed objective of eliciting reactions. Some members were particularly unruly, and the Chair was obligated to intervene during the taking of the division to remind members to remain calm so that we could allow the clerks at the table to continue with the roll call.

As stated in House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, at page 643, “During the taking of a vote, no Member is permitted to enter, leave or walk across the Chamber or to make any noise or disturbance from the time the Speaker begins to put the question until the results of the vote are announced.”

The Chair hopes this will serve as a good reminder to all members of the expectations in regard to decorum during divisions. I understand that some votes are the subject of strong disagreements, but it is still expected that all members comport themselves appropriately.

Finally, I also wish to take a few moments to address another situation that occurred after the vote. After the result was announced and Bill C-78 was adopted, I recognized the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, who caught my eye on a point of order. I understand that the member for London—Fanshawe was also on her feet on a point of order, presumably in relation to the division that had just taken place. The government House Leader then moved that the House be adjourned. The motion was deemed adopted, with the result that our proceedings for the day ended.

Obviously, this prevented the member for London—Fanshawe from raising her concerns in a timely manner, and I apologize for this situation as I should have recognized her. That said, I am ready to hear her or one of her colleagues now, if she still wishes. Others might also want to intervene. I thank all members for their attention.

I see the hon. member for London—Fanshawe is rising on a point of order.

Lindsay Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the apology. However, I will be taking this back and reflecting upon your words. I cannot say that I find your words satisfactory, Mr. Speaker, in terms of the requirements or the repercussions that need to come from them, and I will reserve the right to speak to this further.

Decorum

10:05 a.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am rising on a point of order.

I witnessed the situation. It was not just the member for London—Fanshawe who tried to take the floor. Another member from the same party also wanted to do so. Obviously, everyone knows that it is not over until it is over. Nothing was finished. Everyone had already risen. The House leader wanted to speak.

However, I would like to talk about the fact that we are unable to hear what is being said in the House. Once again, I will speak on behalf of the francophones, because it is always more difficult for us when there is heckling. Because we are listening to the interpretation, it takes longer for us to hear what is being said, and that is to be expected. However, we often do not even get to hear the end of sentences. We do not even get to hear the speeches because people are yelling and heckling so much. We are looking at each other and wondering what was said. We have no idea. That happened yesterday, but it also happens during question period and on many other occasions. We are missing out on some of the content of what is being said because people are heckling. That is the first thing.

The second thing is that we have to be careful for the interpreters' sake. If the heckling bothers me, then it must be really hard for them to do their work. I would not want them to feel pressured and think that they have to try to work faster to make sure the francophone members can understand. I would like members to pay attention to that.

I understand that people can be happy or upset about the results of a vote or during question period, but out of respect and collegiality, there needs to be some consideration for those who do not necessarily speak English or who do not listen to the debates in English. They too would like to have access to quality debates and get all the necessary information to be able to participate.

Decorum

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I thank the two members for their interventions. I especially want to thank the member for Manicouagan for raising this point. It is very important, especially for those who use the interpretation services to understand what is happening in the House of Commons. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to listen when there is a lot of heckling in the House. That is a very important point for the Chair to consider.

I encourage members to behave respectfully toward one another so that everyone can fully participate in the business of the House of Commons.

The House resumed from November 28 consideration of the motion, of the amendment as amended and of the amendment to the amendment.

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10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Mr. Speaker, we are two months into the longest privilege debate in House of Commons history and Canadian history. It has been two months of Liberals running from accountability after the Speaker's ruling, in agreement with the opposition parties, that the government must produce the documents. Of course, it is a constitutional power that we have in the House: The House can compel the order of documents, persons or papers. This was ruled, but the Liberals have been working very hard for two months to avoid their real obligation to the House. They are working to circumvent their constitutional obligation after a ruling in the House to bring forward documents on a $400-million green slush fund.

Of course, we know that it was 400 million taxpayer dollars that Liberal-appointed board members used to enrich themselves. In fact, there were 186 conflicts of interest over a number of years by those Liberal-appointed board members. This was happening every other day at this board; members would vote on how this money would be spent for their own financial benefit. The Liberals are withholding all the documents from this. They have provided some that have been redacted, but they have not released all of them. They have not provided them unredacted. We are saying that they need to provide them to the police.

This is such a significant scandal: $400 million. Far less has brought down Liberal governments before for their scandals and corruption, but $400 million is not nothing. The last time I spoke in the House, I talked about how 400 million taxpayer dollars, which individuals voted to enrich themselves with, represents about 22,000 Canadian families working an entire year and paying federal income tax. They did this just to afford $400 million going to Liberal insiders.

We have ordered the documents. The Liberals refuse to give them. For two months, the House has largely been at a standstill. Again, it is the longest privilege debate in Canadian history, so that just raises the question of what they are hiding in there. It must be really bad for them to forgo anything else, and I will talk about some of the things that the NDP has allowed the government to get away with.

For two whole months, no government bills have been passed or really debated. This is a minority parliament; we could be in an election at any time. Time is of the essence if the Liberal government wants to accomplish anything in its dying days. However, for two months of that waning time, the government has been running from this accountability. It is very obvious. It is very clear that there is something serious in those documents, as we suspect. I think the Liberal corruption in this likely runs far, far deeper. Why else would they allow two months of none of their initiatives going forward? There is no other logical explanation for this.

I think what we are looking at is quite serious. Of course, we have seen a lot of this kind of behaviour over the last number of years: The Liberals prorogued Parliament to avoid scandals and called an election to avoid production of the Winnipeg lab documents. Members will remember that. In the middle of a pandemic, the Liberals called the most divisive election in recent memory, in which the Liberal Prime Minister pitted vaccinated Canadian against unvaccinated Canadian. They called that election to avoid releasing the Winnipeg lab documents, which involved two scientists connected to the People's Liberation Army in China.

In fact, for the first time in a century, an individual was brought to the bar to get the documents. However, the government fought hard to make sure they did not come to light. The Liberals called an election to avoid what was in them.

Of course the prorogation was in the midst of the WE Charity scandal, when they were looking to provide a billion dollars to what really amounted to quite a slimy organization: the WE Charity. It was also a sycophant for the Liberal Prime Minister's family. The government was promoting them and paying them to be in various speaking engagements and podcasts. It was really something.

We have seen this before: proroguing to avoid accountability and calling an election to avoid production of documents. Maybe one of those two things is coming. How far will the Liberals go to avoid having the RCMP look at these documents? Again, these are just the ones that we know about, which is not to say there are not many more conflicts of interest. However, after looking over just a portion of the billion-dollar green slush fund, the Auditor General was able to find conflicts 186 times. Every other day, Liberal-appointed board members were voting for taxpayer dollars to further enrich themselves. It is actually unbelievable how many people in this country had to work all year away from their families and had to pay federal income tax for $400 million to be used to enrich Liberal insiders in conflicts of interest. It is quite shocking, and I just think that spending two whole months avoiding this, sacrificing their own agenda in the Liberals' waning days of government, means it must be really bad. There is no other explanation.

If we look at the Liberals' green initiatives over nine years, it is quite something. If we really peel back the layers, we find that they claim to have spent $100 billion on climate change, but there are no meaningful results whatsoever. It is a shocking number. In fact, a news article on the environment commissioner's 2023 fall report said, “The report painted a grim picture of emission reductions in Canada over the past 20 years, saying that the only significant drops in emissions came during the 2008 financial crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic, which had little to do with emissions reduction policy.” Therefore, in the midst of the pandemic, when we were all forced to stay home for weeks, not drive, not travel, not do anything, not really leave our houses or see anybody, was when emissions dropped. There was no other meaningful emissions drop in this country since the Liberals have been in office. In fact, the environment commissioner said, “Canada is the only G7 country that has not achieved any emissions reductions since 1990”. Wow, we have spend $100 billion and had no results.

The Office of the Auditor General reported that “Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions have increased since the Paris Agreement was signed, making it the worst performing of all G7 nations since the 2015 Conference of the Parties in Paris, France.” That was in 2021. Therefore, we are seeing all this money just flying out the door.

In fact, the Liberals brought forward something called the net-zero accelerator fund, but what I found interesting about this is that they proposed $8 billion, and billions are just nothing to Liberals. It does not matter how long and how hard Canadians had to work to produce all those federal income taxes; whatever, they are going to spend billions as though it were chump change in the bottom of their pockets. Therefore, there was $8 billion put towards this net-zero accelerator fund, and what is really interesting about this is that they found there was no accountability for the money to reduce emissions. They are just throwing billions of dollars to various companies with no measurables. There is nothing to show the public, such as that the government gave companies money, they committed to help lower emissions in one regard and the government is holding them accountable to that commitment for giving their companies billions of dollars from the taxpayer.

The same lack of accountability is seen across government departments. In fact, the Liberal government makes all of these big financial announcements, and it does not matter that we have doubled the national debt from half a trillion to well over a trillion dollars in nine years. The debt of almost 150 years of prime ministers combined was done in less than nine years by the Liberal government. The Liberals talk about all these billions, yet there do not seem to be any measurables. It is like a ribbon cutting in announcing all these billions, and then that is all they have to do. It is not really about what the actual impact of those dollars is. It is as if they think success is measured by how much money they spend, not by the outcome it produces. That is what we are seeing with a lot of this so-called green spending.

In some cases, the government did not know whether the accelerator fund would lead to any emissions reduction. In fact, at the environment committee, the environment commissioner gave the following testimony: “We also found that the department did not always know to what extent GHG emissions had been reduced by those companies that took part in the [net-zero accelerator] initiative, or whether the funding provided would lead to reduced emissions.” Again, how could the Liberals disregard the hard work it took for Canadians to provide that money to the federal government and just throw it out the window with no follow-through, over and over again?

It is not just on the greenhouse gas emissions that we are not seeing any meaningful action, despite nearly $100 billion spent, according to the Liberals; it is also in all different departments. In fact, we can look at the economics of this country, and all the billions. Again, the Liberals measure success by how much money they are spending and not on the outcome. If we look at the outcomes, what have we seen? We have one in five children in Canada living in poverty. The Salvation Army reported that one in four parents is cutting back on their own food intake because they cannot afford enough for all of their family. They are eating less so that their children can eat. This is supposed to be a G7 country, one of the wealthiest countries on earth. We are the second-largest geography on earth. We are blessed with natural resources that almost every other country would envy. We have an educated, hard-working, kind population, yet we have one in four parents cutting back on their own food intake, one in five children living in poverty and two million people visiting a food bank every month. Actual breadlines have returned after nine years of the Liberal government.

It is just unbelievable what we are seeing, yet the government has spent so much money, with the promise at every single announcement that it was going to make the difference. It has just made things worse. What has the government spent on housing? Was it $80 billion? Housing prices and rental prices have doubled in the nine years that the Liberals have been in power, despite $80 billion spent on housing. All that taxpayer hard work was spent on housing, only for housing to double in cost. Actually, rent has more than doubled now.

What is it, two-thirds, of millennials who will never be able to afford a home? The hallmark of Canadian freedom and prosperity was the promise that somebody could work hard, get married, have a family, buy a house and retire in dignity, things that were true for generations because of the hard work of the earlier generations in this country, built on their blood, sweat and tears. It was the promise of Canada to provide prosperity. Now, two-thirds of our young people, despite the fact that they are the most educated generation in history and are hard-working, with big dreams, will never be able to afford a piece of property.

Canada's geography is the second-largest on earth. We have trees that abound. We have all the materials we need and all the space required to build homes, and there has been $80 billion of so-called investment from the Liberals, yet housing prices have doubled. The dream of home ownership has evaporated for two-thirds of my generation after nine years of the Liberal government.

All this says nothing of the crime and the dysfunction in our criminal justice system. There has been a 50% increase in violent crime, a 116% increase in gun crime and a 75% increase in sexual assault, of which we know the vast majority affects women. At every opportunity, the government pats itself on the back for its feminist policy, yet in nine years there has been a 75% increase in sexual assaults in this country and a 120% increase in sexual violations against children in this country. The government has brought forward subsequent pieces of justice legislation that have had a serious influence and have resulted in a lot of the crime.

We have heard from police associations across the country and from premiers of every political stripe, who are saying that bail reform is needed in this country. That is what we hear time and time again, yet nothing happens. The government brought forward a measly seven-page bill that received royal assent over year ago now. It obviously had zero effect.

People are still being shot and killed by people who are out on bail and who have been out on bail, probation and parole their whole life. Somehow they were just let out on bail again with a promise that they would obey the rules for the first time in their life, and yet they have proven to be a danger to society over and over again. It is madness.

People deserve to feel safe in this country. They deserve to ride public transit without the threat of being stabbed by someone who is out on bail. They deserve to have their car in their own driveway and know that it is going to be there in the morning. It used to be like that in Canada. There used to be a time when we were not concerned about things like this. It just seems to be getting worse.

Thousands of homeless encampments have popped up all across the country, which is of course a clear indicator of the poverty and the economic vandalism that are a result of bad government decisions from the Liberals for nine years. There is a lot of dysfunction, and the crime is a big deal.

In the last 13 months, there has been protest after protest, certainly as a result of the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7, 2023 in Israel, when hundreds of people were taken hostage; well over a thousand people were brutally and barbarically murdered; women were viciously and violently raped, tortured and killed; children were burned alive and shot; and elderly people were abused, beaten up and killed.

I remember seeing some of the videos. I will never in my life get the images out of my head of the barbaric nature of the attack. I have seen what has happened in our streets subsequently and I have heard the words that have been spoken about our Jewish community. There has been mayhem and a targeting of Jewish businesses.

It has escalated to such a point now that there were riots in Montreal the other day, where someone was caught on camera yelling that “the final solution” for the Jewish people “is coming”. This was in Canada in 2024. That is what is happening in this country. That is what has been permitted to transpire over the last number of years.

Jewish Canadians do not feel safe in their own country, in Canada, in 2024, they do not feel safe to identify themselves. They do not feel safe in their businesses. There have been protests at their seniors care homes. Their synagogues have been lit on fire and vandalized. Their children's schools have been shot up.

Jewish members of Parliament have to be under around-the-clock security. They are in fear of their lives just for standing up for Jewish Canadians and their principles on Israel. Threats to their lives have happened. What has there been from Parliament? There has not been any action on it. There have not been any firm stances taken by the Liberal government in the 13 months since the attack.

The Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security of Canada is tasked with dealing with public safety and national security issues. Jewish Canadians, representing less than 1% of the population, are the most-targeted population in this country, particularly in the last 13 months, and nothing has transpired at the public safety and national security committee.

Liberals have stopped motions or tried to water them down every single step of the way. We can watch the footage. Conservatives have repeatedly tried to bring the issue forward at the public safety committee. What has been happening to Jewish Canadians in this country as a result of what happened on October 7, 2023 is obviously an issue of national significance about public safety and national security.

If we do not think that some of the most vile elements of the protesters have been emboldened by the fact that Hamas applauded a Liberal government decision to side with them, and that it has had an impact, we are deluding ourselves. There are serious problems in this country across the board. Jewish Canadians have been worse off by far in the last 13 months, and yet the Standing Committee of Public Safety and National Security of Canada refuses to have a concrete look at this issue specifically.

I have not even mentioned the multiple thwarted terrorist plots against the Jewish community. There have been two, maybe three, just in the past year, targeting one community just for being Jewish. In December 2023, there was a rally on Parliament Hill in support of releasing the hostages. The Leader of the Opposition was there and the deputy leader of the opposition, who is Jewish, was there. A number of other members were there; in fact two Liberal members of Parliament were there.

Apparently unbeknownst to attendees, since no one found out about it publicly until 10 months after the fact, there were two terrorist-affiliated young people, teenagers, who had been deeply involved in plotting a bomb attack on the rally on Parliament Hill. A bomb attack was planned on the heart of our democracy, targeting Jewish Canadians for being Jewish, right here on Parliament Hill.

Does the public safety and national security committee of Canada really not think that is something we should be looking into? How is it acceptable that the committee tasked with the issue, out of all committees, does not think it is a priority to focus specifically on the threat of anti-Semitism, the terrorist plots and extreme violence that have been escalating toward the Jewish people? The public safety and national security committee is not doing its duty.

Conservatives will continue to push, because we believe that what has been happening is completely and wholly unacceptable. We feel that the government has not taken it seriously and has not sent a very clear message to the vile people who are calling for “the final solution” for the Jewish people. Where is the robust response? Where is the solidarity with Jewish Canadians and their families in Israel, who obviously have the right to defend themselves in the face of the worst attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust?

I recently spoke to CJPAC about the issues. Two women came to me afterward, and they were quite emotional. Again, it is 13 months after the attack happened. They were grown professional women, but I could tell they were having a tough time. They told me that since that day, they feel so alone. Jewish Canadians in Canada feel alone, as if the government had abandoned them, turned its back on their families in Israel, turned its back on their needs and on the fact that there are terrorist-affiliated people in this country trying to bomb them to smithereens and massacre them.

I am vice-chair of the public safety committee, and the Liberals will not allow us to focus on the issue. What kind of signal does that send to people who want to do harm to Jewish Canadians? Shame on the Liberals at committee for doing that. We should be studying the issue and we should be studying it now. Conservatives are going to continue to stand up for Jewish Canadians at the committee, and we are not going to stop.

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10:25 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the very nature of the member's speech does not surprise me, and here is why. All one has to do is take a look at what the leader said when he addressed his Conservative caucus just before coming back into session.

This is part of what the leader said in his opening remarks to his Conservative members of Parliament: “There would be mass hunger and malnutrition with a tax this high...our seniors would have to turn the heat down to 14 or 13 C just to make it through the winter. Inflation would run rampant and people would not be able to leave their homes or drive anywhere.” How ridiculous that is.

Then we hear speeches of the nature of the one by the member opposite. It was gross exaggeration. I have news for the member and for the Conservative Party of Canada: Canada is not broken; it is still the very best country in the world to call home.

Shame on the Conservatives for their attitudes and for how they continue to put their political self-interest ahead of the interests of Canadians. We see it every day, and a good example of it is when we wanted to give Canadians a tax break yesterday. What did the Conservatives do? They voted against a tax break. How will the member opposite and Conservatives justify their vote yesterday to not support tax relief?

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10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, let us talk about last night's GST tax trick. Again, one in four Canadian parents is eating less, just to afford food for their kids. One in five Canadian children is living in poverty. There have been two million people at food banks every single month in Canada in 2024. There has been nine years of Liberal government, and literal breadlines have returned. I will remind the member for Winnipeg North that his community in particular has been impacted by poverty because of the economic vandalism after nine years.

Do Liberals think that these things just happen to people and that the Liberals are not responsible at all? If they are not responsible, what are they doing in government? It is time to get out of the way and get a Conservative government in power that is actually going to relieve Canadian taxes, actually going to cut the carbon tax, which is a tax on everything. We will cut it forever.

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10:30 a.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Madam Speaker, I agree with part of my colleague's speech: Canada is doing a very poor job of reducing greenhouse gases. It makes sense though, because producing more oil requires more oil exploration and development projects, which produce more greenhouse gas emissions.

She did not say anything about the biggest investment in Canadian history, the $34 billion spent to buy a pipeline. The Conservative party does not talk about that.

I would like my colleague to explain a few things. First, does her party actually recognize that climate change exists? Second, without criticizing anyone else, what is the Conservatives' plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and truly fight climate change?

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10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, certainly we are very blessed in this country to have the natural resource sector. The hydrocarbon sector ensures that transfers to various provinces are possible. It ensures that health care in this country is possible. In fact, given the new Trump administration coming in, thank God we have the energy sector, because the Americans depend on that energy; in fact it makes their gas cheaper. If only we would have had a government in the last nine years with the commitment and the drive to actually fully develop these resources and that had not tried to stop them every step of the way.

The only reason the Liberals had to buy the pipeline is that the regulatory regime they brought in was so toxic that we could not get private industry to do it. It left, high-tailed it out of Canada, because the government has made it so difficult to get anything built in this country so that this country can actually use its blessed natural resources to pay for all these wonderful things. Thank goodness we have the natural resource sector, because it might just be the thing that is going to save us from the 25% tariffs.

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10:30 a.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, I rise knowing that today is International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. I have heard that there are Jewish people who are in solidarity with the Palestinian people, especially with respect to the genocide that is happening in Gaza. I wonder whether the member can speak to the voices she has heard of Jewish people who support the call for the end to the genocide in Gaza.

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10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, what I have heard from the Jewish community is that they want those hostages released and to be able to bury their dead with dignity, which they have been denied for 13 months. Many of the hostages are still alive, from what we understand. They need to be released and they need to be released now. That is what needs to happen.

The NDP supported that GST tax cut yesterday, which amounts to breadcrumbs thrown on a few things decided by the Liberal government, which picked and chose what Canadians deserve a so-called tax break on, which is really just a trick because it is only a couple of weeks of some items not having a little bit of tax on them when what we need is a long-term tax cut. We need to axe the tax to give long-term relief, because if the Liberal government is going to stay in power until April and continue to raise these taxes, and it has committed to raising the carbon tax, we are going to see it go up to 61¢ a litre. That is the “nuclear winter” from, as the member for Winnipeg North shared with everyone, our leader's smart comments on that. That is coming if the Liberals stay in power.

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10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my colleague for pointing out throughout her speech the hypocrisy that exists with the government by spending money and not delivering results. Unfortunately, and it refutes the member for Winnipeg North's comment earlier about where we are in this country, the Stats Canada data just out today indicates that our per capita income has shrunk for six consecutive quarters. The per capita income in this country is back to what it was before the current government was elected. Everything it has done over the last nine years has taken us backwards, not forwards, despite doubling our national debt.

I would like the member to comment on what a government could do, especially a future government, with that money, versus just throwing it away. I am not going to use the other term I was going to, about something in the wind.

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10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, it has never been more critical that we get a Conservative government that cares about economics and tax relief for Canadians. For years, our party's leader has repeatedly talked about the disparity between doing business in the United States and doing business now, the regulatory and tax burden Canadian businesses have to deal with, the carbon tax being one of the number one contributors to businesses and investment fleeing to the United States because it does not have that kind of tax on energy. They can hire more workers and do more innovation. It is cheaper for businesses to operate in the United States and quicker for them to get up off the ground.

Over the last nine years, hundreds of billions of dollars of investments have fled from Canada to the United States. If we think that is going to get better with the incoming U.S. administration, we have another thing coming. We need a government that prioritizes regulation cuts, prioritizes tax cuts and genuinely, as a primary focus, wants to grow the economy, and not on the backs of future Canadians with all these deficits but with actual economic innovation and growth from the Canadian people.

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10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Madam Speaker, today is the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. Like the member, I too agree that we need all the hostages released, and all the remains of the hostage problems should be cleared. Along with several Jewish Canadians, there are many Palestinian Canadians who have lost their families among the 43,000 people killed in Gaza, the vast majority of whom are women and children.

I would like to ask the member whether she has any tears or consolation for the Canadians who have lost their family in Gaza.

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10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Madam Speaker, yes, I do. The last 13 months have been horrific in the Middle East. We support Israel's right to defend itself and we hold Hamas responsible for all this destruction and for the terrorist attacks of October 7. This is on Hamas. What we are not hearing is a clear denunciation of that from the Liberal government. We feel that when a terrorist organization is happy with the position of the Liberal government, there are serious problems there.

What impact does that have on motivating the most vile elements in Canada to hurt Jewish Canadians here? I think it certainly has an impact.

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10:35 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the remarks we just were entertained with are quite interesting. It is really important that people understand what the Conservative Party is. It is not the traditional party. People who follow the debate on the economy, on social programming and how it is that Canada is doing, I want them to understand this is not the traditional Conservative Party.

This is what Kim Campbell, former prime minister of Canada, has to say about the leadership and direction of the Conservative Party today: “I've never joined the Conservative Party of Canada.” She mentions Joe Clark, another Progressive Conservative prime minister: “I think Joe Clark expressed it that he didn't leave the party, the party left him. It is not the Progressive Conservative Party [today].”

We just heard a litany of issues downplaying Canada. As I have indicated, the leader of the Conservative Party and members of his caucus can go around Canada talking about how bad things are and saying Canada is broken. A vast majority of the things they are saying are absolutely not true and definitely misleading, whether it is the leader in the many town halls he has or through their social media or their emails. They send out millions of emails. Canada is not broken.

We think of the progressive nature the Conservatives used to have. They talk about poverty and so forth. When it came time to stand up and vote on issues, I listed just a few programs. There is the disability program. It is the first time we are establishing disability payments, the single largest budgetary item from the last budget, where $200 every month will be going to individuals.

There is the pharmacare program. Millions of Canadians will benefit from it and it is a good step forward in developing a solid national pharmacare program, what we put into place. There is a child care program, a Canada child benefit program that no longer pays for millionaires and that supports even those parents who have a lower income. I made reference to $10-a-day child care and the expansion of child care spaces. There is a dental care program in which well over a million Canadians have participated.

There is a national school food program. The member for Kildonan—St. Paul is talking about children in poverty, yet the Conservatives vote against a national school food program. They know absolutely no shame whatsoever; they really do not. She is criticizing us because of the GST break we are giving Canadians during the holiday season. The Conservatives voted against it last night.

I need to remind each and every one of those Conservative members of Parliament that in the last election, they campaigned for it. It was in their election platform that they would give holiday relief in the form of a GST break for the holiday season. They said they would do it. What they voted against yesterday was their own policy. This is something their leader at the time, Erin O'Toole, the one they stabbed in the back because he was too progressive for them, supported. They ditched him, they got their shiny new leader and they reversed their policy on it.

I will remind the new leader of the Conservative Party that he supported what he voted against yesterday. They go around and say they are going to axe the tax—

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

I was listening to my colleague's speech, which is really quite interesting. He went over the whole history of different Conservative leaders over the years, but I do not see the connection between that and the subject we are discussing right now.

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10:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member knows that there is a lot of flexibility when it comes to speeches.

The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on a point of order.

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10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I understand you have stopped the clock. It is really unfortunate. Yesterday I stood up to speak and I was interrupted on numerous occasions by the Conservatives on points of order. I now get the coalition Bloc doing the same thing. It is disrespectful. I have a lot to share with Canadians through my comments. I would ask the Bloc and the Conservatives to contain themselves and allow truth to be told inside the chamber—

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10:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

We will allow the hon. parliamentary secretary to continue his speech.

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10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, what we witnessed last night was the Conservative Party voting against giving Canadians, during the holiday season, a tax break on the GST, even though Conservatives campaigned in favour of it. Their very own shiny leader also retweeted the idea of having a holiday tax break on the GST during the holiday season.

The only difference was that that theirs was four weeks. Our is for eight weeks. There is no hypocrisy there, right? They are going to say, “Yes, we are against that, but we are in favour of axing the tax.” What do they mean by “axing the tax”? They are going to be getting rid of the carbon rebate.

They do not care about the environment but they are going to get rid of the carbon rebate. A vast majority of Canadians get a net benefit with the carbon rebate. Not only are Conservatives going to take away a tax holiday, but they are also going to be axing the carbon rebate. Then they spread all sorts of misinformation on both of those issues. That is why I say they know no shame. They do not have a problem saying that.

Fast-forward to where we are today. Why is the Parliament as dysfunctional as it is? It is not because of the NDP, the Liberals, the Greens and, to a certain degree, the Bloc. It is because of the Conservative Party of Canada.

Here is the truth of the matter. Six or seven months ago, there was an order in which, yes, a majority of MPs voted that unredacted documents would be sent directly from the House to the RCMP. The government opposed that. We only have a minority of MPs. We opposed it. Yes, we did, and it is because we did not think it was appropriate to give unredacted documents to the RCMP. The RCMP commissioner has said he does not want those documents. The Auditor General of Canada has said she does not support the documents being given to the RCMP. Other legal experts have said likewise.

What happened? The Speaker ruled that the matter should go over to the procedure and House affairs committee. What does the Conservative Party do? Conservatives move a motion that says we are going to have this issue go to the procedure and House affairs committee. It is a Conservative motion.

We have now had over 200 speeches from the Conservative Party of Canada on its own motion because Conservatives refuse to allow it to come to a vote. As a direct result of that, which I would suggest is borderline contempt of the House, the Parliament has not been able to do the things it needs to do to support Canadians, to pass substantial legislation, legislation in part that they support. I could focus on the word “hypocrisy” but I will refrain from that because of the limitations on my time.

We have a Conservative Party, through its leadership, that is more interested in its self-interest than it is in Canadians. Canadians are paying the price. We have anti-harm legislation to protect children from predators on the Internet, and the Conservatives do not want to debate it. We have legislation converting sexual allegations and charges from military courts to civilian courts. Everyone supports it. Even the Conservative Party supports that one. Conservatives do not want anything to do with it because they want to continue their filibuster.

Yesterday we had to get the support of the New Democrats to be able to have a debate on giving tax relief to Canadians. The Conservatives forced us to bring in closure and then they criticized us yesterday for bringing in closure. How silly is that? Should we be surprised?

The leader of the Conservative Party today was the parliamentary secretary to Stephen Harper, the only prime minister who has ever been held in contempt of Parliament. His point man was the leader of the Conservative Party today. Does anyone wonder why the leader of the Conservative Party has no problem at all being in borderline contempt on issues that are having such a negative impact on Canadians? The Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves.

This made headline news last week, about the Conservative caucus. The leader preaches to Canadians that we are going to have freedom. In fact, I actually brought a copy. I would like to quote what Conservative MPs are saying about the leader of the Conservative Party. They did not want to release their names, but a lot of Conservatives have gone to the media to express their concerns.

The headline is, “[The leader of the Conservative Party]'s office maintains tight control over what Conservative MPs say and do.” Here is the first paragraph: “After two years of [the leader of the Conservative Party] as their leader, many Conservative MPs say they are much less free now than they were before his arrival.” This coming from “the man who promised during his leadership run to make Canada 'the freest country in the world' maintains tight control over the actions of his caucus members.”

The article continues:

Conservative MPs' words and actions are closely scrutinized by the leader's office. Partisanship is encouraged. Fraternizing with elected officials from other parties is a no-no.

Those who follow these rules are rewarded. Those who don't often have to suffer consequences.

Do people want to know the consequence? They can check with the member for Abbotsford. The article continues with, “Some elected officials feel they come to caucus 'to be told what to do and what to think'”. It also states, “If the leader invents a new slogan, 'we know we'll have to use it'”. The Conservative source said, “If you repeat the slogans, you get rewarded,” and, “You are celebrated in front of the entire caucus for being a good cheerleader.”

Does anyone wonder why we get Conservative member after member standing up, repeating the slogans and the bumper stickers of the leader of the Conservative Party? They get a gold star for doing so. They think Canadians are stupid. They are a bit thick on substance, but they are a mile long when it comes to slogans. If we want a good sense of that, we can look at the propaganda and the garbage being sent from social feeds, which are consistently misleading.

That is the far-right Conservative Party today that is being conducted by the leader's office. Members opposite know this. If a member comes to talk to me on the side, or to other Liberal caucus members, they are being watched. They are not supposed to be talking to us. If they say something that goes against what the party might be thinking and they have achieved gold stars, those gold stars are going to disappear. They need to stick to the script.

During the last political panels I was on, both CTV and CBC, there was no Conservative. Why? They do not support mainstream media, because the mainstream media wants to hold them to account for a lot of the silly things that they are saying. It is much like the general attitude of the leader of the Conservative Party. The leader of the Conservative Party believes he is not required to get a secure clearance. We have the leader of the Bloc, the leader of the Greens and the leader of New Democrats all saying foreign interference is a very serious issue in Canada. Individuals have been murdered. There has been extortion. There has been political interference. In fact, there has been political foreign interference in the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada, which ultimately saw him elected as the leader.

Every other leader in the House has recognized the value of getting a security clearance, but not the leader of the Conservative Party. If one wants to be an intern for the Conservative Party, they are required to get a security clearance, but if one is the leader, forget that. The bogus excuses the Conservatives give as to why he is not getting the security clearance are a bunch of garbage. It begs the question why the leader of the Conservative Party will not get his security clearance. I will tell members why. It is because there is something in his past that he is hiding and does not want Canadians to know about. Canadians have a right to know.

What is interesting about foreign interference is this. Do members remember last year at this time? If we think about what the Conservatives were yipping about 12 months ago, they were standing up and talking about foreign interference. However, they piped down awfully quick when they found out that there were Conservatives involved who are directly connected to the leader's office. Let us stop here on that issue. We have to change the channel awfully quickly.

Instead of dealing with issues of consequence to Canadians, whether it is the economy or good, substantial policy, the Conservatives continuously vote against them. They try to tell Canadians they care. Here are just some of the things that we have done. We brought in the disability program, the pharmacare program, the child care program, the dental care program and the national school food program. We can talk about the cuts to Canada's middle-class tax brackets. We can talk about the substantial increases to the GIS. We can talk about the 10% increase to those age 75-plus. There has been a litany of things, including the infrastructure dollars we are spending. This is a government that understands that a healthy economy is good for all Canadians. It builds our middle class and those aspiring to be a part of it. Consistently, the Conservatives are voting against it.

In 2023, Canada had more direct foreign investment per capita than any other G7 country. In fact, if we compared Canada to the rest of the world, we were number three. People outside of Canada recognize how wonderful Canada is, whether with respect to going through the pandemic or the worldwide recession. They recognize that our interest rates are going down and that the inflation rate is under control, and are better than the United States. However, we would never know it listening to the Conservatives. Instead, they want to proclaim to the world that Canada is broken. In fact, the biggest cheerleader for the United States supporting its efforts on a trade agreement is the leader of the Conservative Party.

Before I move on to that trade agreement, members will remember that the last trade agreement we had was with Ukraine. The Conservative Party is the only political party that voted against that trade agreement with Ukraine. By the way, Russia is one of the foreign influencers that is spending millions to prop up the Conservative Party of Canada, if not directly, indirectly. Is it any wonder that the Conservatives voted against the Canada-Ukraine trade deal? Was it for suspicious reasons, and I am trying to be nice, or was it a red herring? Do we think the Conservative Party is in a good position to negotiate with Donald Trump? Forget that. We have a great team. We have done it before. We have the expertise.

The last time around, what did the Conservatives say? They capitulated. They said, “It does not matter what we have to cave on; cave and just sign an agreement.” That is all the Conservatives wanted. We held back and we got a good agreement, and that is one of the reasons that Donald Trump wants to renegotiate. We will go to the table, but we are going to put Canadians first and foremost as we have done for the last nine years. Consistently, what we have witnessed from the opposition is no, no, no.

International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian PeopleStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Madam Speaker, today is the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. In 2021, I stood in the House and called on Canada to recognize the sovereign state of Palestine. Today, I renew that call with urgency. The New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman wrote, three days back, that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is defending a Jewish supremacist apartheid vision in the West Bank and Gaza, yet the western nations that hold the levers of power and influence remain silent witnesses, allowing this catastrophe to persist.

Canada must take bold and active steps toward justice, not only as a gesture of solidarity, but also as a commitment to a just and lasting peace.

Liberal Party of CanadaStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Madam Speaker, my dear mother was recently going through some old papers and found a poem from the late 1970s she had saved all these years. In those days, we had former prime minister Pierre Trudeau. I was shocked at the similarities between then and now. Here is the poem:

The Prime Minister is my shepherd, I shall not work.
He maketh me to lie down on park benches;
He leadeth me beside still factories;
He restoreth my faith in the Conservatives;
He guideth me in paths of unemployment.
Yea though I walk through the valley of soup kitchens, I shall still be hungry,
For they are against me.
They anointed my income with taxes;
My expenses runneth over my salary.
Surely poverty and hard living shall follow me all the days of this Liberal administration,
and I shall live in a rented house forever!

After 45 years, nothing has changed. His son, our current Prime Minister, has dragged Canada into an even worse mess than his father did. Thankfully, there will be, once again, a new Conservative government to the rescue to fix everything the Liberals have broken. Let us bring it home.

Telemedicine in Pierrefonds—DollardStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Madam Speaker, I am here to share an update from the West Island of Montreal. There was an exciting announcement made earlier this week in CLSC de Pierrefonds. Along with the Canadian Space Agency, CIUSSS de l'Ouest-de-l'Île-de-Montréal and David Saint-Jacques, the astronaut, we talked about and unveiled a pilot project that deals with telemedicine.

Telemedicine is a really innovative thing. It allows for health care to be delivered remotely and for physicians and health care professionals to make assessments of individuals, people, even though they are not face to face. It has real-world applications, but it was developed in outer space. This technology was made for astronauts, but it has now been applied here at home, within Pierrefonds, at the CLSC.

I want to thank Lisa Campbell, president of the Canadian Space Agency, and the entire team—