House of Commons Hansard #368 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was liberals.

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Veterans AffairsOral Questions

3:10 p.m.

Surrey Centre B.C.

Liberal

Randeep Sarai LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Veterans Affairs and Associate Minister of National Defence

Mr. Speaker, we all admire the sacrifice and service that veterans have given for us. I think that question was quite out of line. However, as it is Veterans' Week, it does deserve to remember and commend all the veterans who sacrificed their lives, given back for our freedoms and protected the democratic processes that we have today. We will always remember them not only on Veterans Week but every day of this year.

Veterans AffairsOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. There have been consultations, and I hope that if you seek it, you will find consent for the following motion: That the House, one, recognizes that attacks on places of worship threaten all Canadians' charter-protected right to freedom of worship; two, recognizes the recent increases in attacks targeting places of worship; three, calls for the government to work urgently with—

Veterans AffairsOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

The House resumed consideration of the motion and of the amendment.

Industry and TechnologyCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

It being 3:15 p.m., the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of the member for Simcoe North to the motion to concur in the 20th report of the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology.

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the amendment, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #880

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I declare the amendment carried.

The next question is on the main motion, as amended.

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion as amended be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, we request a recorded vote.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #881

Committees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I declare the motion, as amended, carried.

Accordingly, the 20th report of the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology is referred to the standing committee.

Places of WorshipRoutine Proceedings

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, there have been renewed consultations, and I believe you will find unanimous consent for the following motion. I move:

That the House:

(a) recognize that attacks on places of worship threaten all Canadians' Charter-protected right to freedom of worship;

(b) recognize the recent increase in attacks targeting places of worship; and

(c) call on the government to work in full cooperation with provinces, territories, and municipalities that want to establish protective bubble zones at places of worship.

Places of WorshipRoutine Proceedings

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

It is agreed.

The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

(Motion agreed to)

I wish to inform the House that, because of the deferred recorded divisions, the time provided for Government Orders will be extended by another 24 minutes, for a total of 48 minutes.

Business of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Mr. Speaker, it being Thursday, I would like to ask the government House Leader if she would inform the House what business she intends to call before the House for the remainder of this week, as well as the week after our constituency week, and if she could inform the House whether the documents related to the $400-million green slush fund have been tabled, as was ordered by the House?

Business of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:55 p.m.

Burlington Ontario

Liberal

Karina Gould LiberalLeader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, as my hon. colleague knows, the motion that the Speaker presented actually said to refer this matter to the procedure and House affairs committee. That is exactly what we support.

We look forward to the Conservatives ending their silly games, starting to respect the charter rights of Canadians and the independence of the police, and moving this to committee to make sure that we respect the independence of powers in this country. I will also note that thousands of pages have indeed been tabled. They have just been done so in a way that respects the charter rights of Canadians.

We are looking forward to debating, once the Conservatives stop freezing the work of this place, important legislation, such as Bill C-71, concerning citizenship; Bill C-66 on military justice; Bill C-63, the online harms legislation; and two ways and means motions, one related to capital gains and one that would require more transparency from charities that use deceptive tactics to push women away from making their own reproductive decisions.

On this side of the House, we will continue to work for Canadians and represent their interests. I wish all members would do the same.

As it is Remembrance Week, and we are coming up to Remembrance Day, I would like to take a moment to thank every service member and every veteran who has served our country, both in times of conflict and in times of peace. I know that every member in the House will be taking a moment on Remembrance Day to remember the sacrifices of our veterans and of those who continue to serve in the Canadian Armed Forces.

Lest we forget.

Business of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

We will remember them.

The House resumed consideration of the motion, of the amendment and of the amendment to the amendment.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, as always, it is an honour to stand in this place and talk about the important issues facing Canadians.

However, I will take a brief moment to say that, a number of weeks ago, a friend of the Conservative Party, and the father of former member Monte Solberg, Stan Solberg, passed away. His funeral was this past Monday. I know many gathered to celebrate the life of Stan Solberg, who was a true patriot and proud Canadian. I had the chance to work with him in politics for many years in a volunteer capacity. Even just a number of months ago, I had a great visit with him. He was always a visionary, thinking forward about the future of Alberta and the future of this country. He was a real patriot, a proud Conservative, and certainly a great Albertan and great Canadian. We remember Stan Solberg here today.

As well, like some of the members who spoke before me, this will likely be my last opportunity to rise in this place before Remembrance Day. I want to say God bless our troops, past and present, for the work they have done and the sacrifice they have made, and continue to make, to keep us free. We can never let down our guard and not support those who fight so hard for what is right. God bless our troops. Lest we forget.

I am once again rising to join in the discussion about a scandal that has paralyzed Parliament. We are seeing a scandal that was initially referred to as one that would be mammoth in comparison to the sponsorship scandal, which brought down the Chrétien-Martin government. As details have been revealed, we certainly see how that is truly the case.

I am glad to rise in my place today and have the ability to share some comments. This is also being streamed. The live feed from the House of Commons is being streamed on Facebook. For those who are watching on my Facebook page, I would welcome them to share their comments and feedback, and I look forward to hopefully integrating some of that into the discussion here today. We are discussing misappropriation, the conflicts of interest and what we have learned was ultimately nearly $400 million of hard-earned taxpayer dollars that was given to insiders of the government. It was rife with conflicts of interest.

Here we are, more than a month into this debate, when the Speaker of the House of Commons has ruled that the government has to release the documents, because the Liberals simply refuse. I would like to unpack things because the Liberals are very good at trying to divide and distract from what the real issue is. Let me unpack it very simply: The Liberals have the ability and the authority to release the documents today, but they refuse to do so. This debate was not started by the Conservatives. It was started by, and has been sustained by, the Liberals, who refuse to release the documents.

The Liberals will talk about privacy. They will talk about the independence of the judiciary. They will talk about all these things, but what they fail to talk about, at every step of the process, is that they have the right, and I would suggest the responsibility, to uphold the standard that Canadians would expect of a government of any colour and to be transparent.

There is nothing stopping the Liberals from walking into this place and placing those documents on the table. There is nothing stopping them from releasing them, but they refuse. As a result, Parliament is exercising its constitutional authority, which is the ability that Parliament has by nature of what Parliament is. We are exercising our ability to demand these documents and taking great care to not interfere in the process of justice. We are ensuring that great care is taken in that regard.

However, it comes down to the simple truth. The fact of the matter is that the Liberals could release the documents today, but they refuse to do so. One has to ask what they are hiding. What is so embarrassing? What types of scandal and corruption would be revealed if those things came to light?

It is becoming increasingly clear that the cover-up is more important to the Liberals than anything else the government has been tasked to do. The Prime Minister and the Liberals have now, for more than a month, paralyzed Parliament. This is on them. They could release the documents.

I have heard from Amber, who is asking, “How are there no repercussions for the corruption that has been proven...?” I thank Amber for that question. The Auditor General, the non-partisan officer of Parliament who looks at the books, found that there were incredible discrepancies, and there have been conflicts of interest found at every stage of the process. It has caused an erosion of trust.

I am asked this question often: If a regular Canadian was to do what the Prime Minister, the cabinet and those members keep doing, would there not be consequences? Would there not be prison time? Would there not be criminal prosecutions? Those Liberals have been paralyzing the actions of Parliament for more than a month to keep these documents from being released.

Lise is asking about “the corruption that happened in the Winnipeg lab”. There are 20 minutes allotted to each of these speeches, and in some cases, a number of colleagues have started listing off the number of scandals that have happened under the Prime Minister and these Liberals. After nine years of these Liberals, we can hardly get through just reading the list.

On the question surrounding the Winnipeg lab documents, it was the Liberals who took the unprecedented step of taking the Speaker to court. It was unprecedented that the government would take the Speaker to court to cover up its corruption.

With this $400-million green slush fund scandal, we are seeing that the Liberals will stop at nothing, including paralyzing Parliament for months on end, to keep the truth from coming out, which leads us to ask what I think is a very fair question about accountability. From what I am hearing from folks who are watching this debate right now, there has to be accountability.

Patricia says that there need to be stiffer penalties and laws to protect Canadians and Canadian tax dollars against this corruption and to stop the conflicts of interest. That sounds like common sense. Canadians want an election. It needs to end so we can get a government in to clean this up. That is from Patricia, who is frustrated, obviously, with the corruption we are seeing.

Esther is asking, “Are there no rules that can be enforced...?” It is a good thing Parliament exists because this is the final mechanism. While the Liberals try each and every day to force Parliament to bend to their will, the Conservatives will not do so. We will stand up for the rights of Canadians, including democracy, which is represented in this place.

To Esther, Conservatives are fighting for accountability, which is absolutely essential in the way we go about everything we do here. That includes making sure we continue to demand that the Liberals release the documents so we get answers in the $400-million green slush fund. Where there is smoke, there is fire, as the old adage goes.

What has become incredibly clear is that these Liberals are covering up something. Nobody would go to the great lengths they have to cover up corruption unless they had something truly to hide. The question was asked about there being no rules. It is a good thing Parliament exists because Parliament and the premise of parliamentary supremacy persists beyond a corrupt Prime Minister and a government that is certainly not worth the cost.

Jordan asks a great question: Why are there so many silent Liberals? Jordan asks why the member for Malpeque and other Liberals refuse to stand up and ask for accountability. Do they work for the Prime Minister or do they work for their constituents? I think it is a very fair question, so on behalf of Jordan, I ask every Liberal member of Parliament whether they will stand up for the people who sent them here, beyond the guy who sits in the front row who has proven he does not care about their best interests, certainly, because time and time again he shows how he will put personal political gain ahead of the best interests of the country. That is absolutely unacceptable.

Debbie says, “Somebody should be able to stop Trudeau and the corruption.” I agree. That is a good thing.

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4:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

My apologies, Mr. Speaker. It was a quote. I withdraw that. In the Saskatchewan legislature, one is allowed to read quotes. Due to my time at the Saskatchewan legislature, it is a habit.

The question, I think, is incredibly valid. I am glad the Liberals opposite are paying attention, because they should listen to what Debbie has to say, which is that somebody should stop the corruption. I would tell Debbie the good news is that the Conservatives are fighting every day on her behalf. As soon as we are able to have a carbon tax election, we are going to get a common-sense government, led by the member for Carleton, who is going to bring integrity and accountability back into the way we do things in this place. In the meantime, we are going to continue to stand up for Canadians to fight that corruption, whether it is the $400-million green slush fund or the many other examples of corruption.

Michael asks a question that more or less demands there be no more coalitions. What is interesting about that is that in the last election, Conservatives said a vote for the NDP was a vote for the Liberals. We were told at the time that would not happen; there would be no coalition. However, only months after the last election, out marched the leader of the NDP, along with the Prime Minister, with their so-called confidence and supply agreement, a blank cheque to do everything. Even though the leader of the fourth party supposedly ripped up the agreement, the NDP still seems very willing to support the Prime Minister being in charge.

Eva said, “There should be no scandals.” That emphasizes a very important point. The government talks a lot about the money it spends, but the simple truth of the matter is that it is not its money. The $400 million in the green slush fund that was allocated in conflicts of interest to Liberal insiders and those with connections to SDTC is one example of many.

Every dollar the government spends is not its money. It comes from somewhere. In particular, it comes from hard-working Canadians in the form of taxes. Certainly, there should be no scandals, because every person who makes a decision when it comes to the public purse should take great care to ensure that money is treated responsibly. Unfortunately, we see the devastating consequences that, after nine years of Justin Trudeau—

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, I withdraw. I may have spoken for a little while this morning at the justice committee. As for the Liberals, it is time for accountability, including the Prime Minister.

Carrie said, “When are we going to get taxpayers' money returned?” That is exactly it. I know when it comes to the policy role I have the opportunity to be a part of right now, and the position of Canadian Heritage, we are demanding that the $18 million in bonuses paid out to executives and managers of the CBC be returned. It just makes sense. We have a failing organization, led by a failing government, that pays itself bonuses and in fact changed the rules. Whether it is SDTC, the CBC or the myriad of other scandals, it is clear that Canadians want their money back. It is absolutely essential that the respect for taxpayers' money is returned to this place.

We need to make sure this place respects the immense privilege we all have to steward the democracy of the land. Quite often the intricacies of Parliament are not well understood, which is unfortunate for somebody who is passionate about the systems we have developed, such as the Parliament of Canada and the Westminster system and its history dating back so many centuries. It is only by act, will and proclamation of Parliament that any dollar can be spent.

That history speaks to something that is often forgotten. In centuries past, when kings in the United Kingdom wanted money, wanted to tax their subjects, there was significant conflict and quite often it would result in war. However, throughout history, there was this coming together to say it was time to ensure the people had a voice. When the Liberals tried to pass a motion that would have given them unlimited spending and taxation authority for a period of 18 months, it was unprecedented in Westminster democracy. They tried to slip it through and say it was time for a team Canada approach. That was their excuse when the reality was that if they wanted a team Canada approach, they would have done the hard work to ensure taxpayers' dollars were respected, yet they refused to do so.

As Paula says, “These people are using our money, not theirs.” I absolutely agree with Paula.

Randy says, “Canadians want a carbon tax election.” I have another comment here about “the amount of money that is being spent, money going out the door to scandals, to interests that don't necessarily reflect what Canadians want.”

Jacqueline says, “We need to have action to take on this.” I would say to Jacqueline that the action is very simple: The Liberals need to release the documents. They are so obsessed with this cover-up that they are willing to throw out their agenda for the purpose of covering up the corruption.

I am grateful for the opportunity to have once again entered into this debate. We have seen close to $400 million in taxpayers' money spent. The Liberals are quick to suggest that this fund that gave grants to develop clean and new energy had been around for a long time. It had been around for a long time, but the Liberals broke it. In 2018, former industry minister Navdeep Bains, who did not like the board because it resembled Harper's vision too much, and the Liberals replaced the board. Since that point in time, it has been rife with scandals.

I will just give a shout-out to my wife, Danielle. She commented on there too. Love you, sweetheart.

I will conclude by saying this: Canadians deserve answers. Canadians deserve to see these documents. There needs to be accountability, which is the fundamental premise of what democracy is. I regret that after so many weeks the Liberals are still so bent on covering things up that they would paralyze Canada's Parliament to serve their own personal political interests. It is time for better, and Conservatives will bring it home.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:20 p.m.

Etobicoke—Lakeshore Ontario

Liberal

James Maloney LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada

Mr. Speaker, I have spent almost the entire day listening to the member speak. He talked about accountability. I just spent three hours in the justice committee listening to him filibuster, trying to block his own colleague from Peace River—Westlock because he had a very compelling argument that Bill C-270 should come to the House as soon as possible to be debated. Now I come to the House and I am listening to him give a speech about this privilege so nothing can be debated.

I want to know whether the member is prepared to make the argument to his House leader that was so compelling this morning to see if Conservatives will end this privilege nonsense and allow his colleague to, one, appear at committee and, two, come to the House to have this discussion again.

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4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am glad the member took me up on my offer to continue the debate on this very important issue in the House of Commons. I would simply suggest that he tell his leader, the Prime Minister, and members of the cabinet he sits with that the answer to the problem of Parliament being paralyzed is to release the documents.

When it comes to Bill C-270, I would hope the member would support a bill that would place strict penalties on anybody who would share, without consent, explicit material and that would have age verification for any explicit material shared in this country. That is pretty clear common sense.

It is too bad the member and the Liberals have so mismanaged the legislative agenda that their scandals are paralyzing the good work this place should be able to do.

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4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Mr. Speaker, we have said it a number of times: We agree that we want to have the documents and that what has been done is unacceptable. Now, why are we not voting?

Are my colleagues in the Conservative Party aware that they are making the Liberals happy and helping them because, as long as the House is paralyzed, the Liberals are doing what they like to do best, which is nothing?

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4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is interesting that we have this weird circumstance where we are debating one scandal through what is called a privilege motion, for those watching, and it takes priority. In this case, it is because the Liberals refuse to release documents. However, the next order of business is another scandal. We have the circumstance where it is not just one scandal that is being debated, but there is another scandal in line to be debated.

The Liberals, very interestingly, say they want to send this to committee to make it disappear. The fact of the matter is that they had an opportunity to vote to support a subamendment to send this to committee and they voted against it. It has become increasingly clear the Liberals do not care about accountability; they simply care about covering it up.

I will close by saying that Maxine said, “Don't you work for us? We deserve our taxpayer money to be spent responsibly.” I agree with Maxine.