House of Commons Hansard #387 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was policy.

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December 11th, 2024 / 4:50 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, just to continue, this is a very serious issue because our men and women on the front lines, every single day, put their lives at risk. What the NDP has proposed is to eliminate the 1932 clause that restricted the CBSA officers; to get up to 3,000 officers, who are right now missing online, in terms of the frontline services; and to bring back the detector dogs that were cut, as well as other measures.

Why does the hon. member keep attacking the workers by denying what Stephen Harper and he and his colleagues did in the chamber?

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, only a Conservative elected government, under our leader, is going to arm our frontline officers and make sure our borders are less porous, make sure that they have the tools they need to do their job. There is only one party in the House that takes this seriously and it is the Conservatives, and we will do it when we elect a Conservative government.

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Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like a bit of clarification as per the standing orders. When you are standing, I should be sitting. I see that you are standing, so I am sure that you are giving me permission to stand. Should multiple members be standing at one time or is it a standing order that one person should be standing, who is recognized by the Chair?

Can you please reference a standing order to confirm what the rules are?

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Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, back in 2021, I suffered a horrendous leg injury that has hampered me, and so it has been commonplace, through the Speaker, this Speaker and others, that in between questions and answers, I am allowed to stand because of the injury to my leg.

If the member wants to take this further, she can come and talk to me in private—

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I appreciate the update, and I want to clarify that the hon. member did have the accident and we have allowed the hon. member to stand because he cannot sit and it is very difficult for him. We make accommodations for those who have some kind of impairment.

The hon. member for Waterloo.

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4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rose on a genuine point of order. I am just asking for clarification. I do not know people's medical histories, and for that member to imply that I was asking something out of turn is not the case. I am just trying to ask what the rules are. Can you please clarify the rules?

It is great that accommodations are being made. I am confident that Liberal members would want to see those accommodations be made.

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I thank the hon. member for asking. Again, normally members would stay seated while the Speaker is standing to address the crowd.

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, Ethics; the hon member for Calgary Shepard, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship.

Resuming debate, the hon member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan.

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise today, and always, to address the House.

I want to start by drilling down on the concept of common sense. Members in the House, and those who follow the debates elsewhere, will know that Conservatives speak a lot about the concept of common sense. We have been highlighting the importance of restoring common sense in government decision-making.

I have observed that our critics across the way, and some of their friends online, have responded by denigrating the use of the term “common sense”. Our critics say they do not really know what we mean by common sense. The fact that the government is claiming not to understand what is meant or implied by common sense actually, I think, demonstrates the problem in substantial measure. The concept of common sense has a history and a meaning that are worth reflecting on and that used to be well understood. The fact that the government, in particular, does not know what common sense is shows how far we have gone. However, for the government's benefit, I think it is worth delving a bit into this concept and why it is important to restore common-sense decision-making in this country.

Let me say first, at a general level, that we all know ideas have practical consequences. We can see over time whether an idea works when implemented. A critical test of an idea is the practical consequences it creates in the real world. When we consider, in our policy debates, the validity of an idea, we need to ask whether that idea will work in practice, whether it produces the effects it is intended to produce and whether it contributes to or undermines human flourishing.

Most people in their regular lives hold ideas that they also practise. As they practise the ideas they profess, their lives demonstrate the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the ideas they profess and practise. I would see this happen a lot, by the way, thinking back, with friends I had in university. They would develop some idea about human behaviour, maybe through a class, a discussion or something they read, put that idea into practice, and then reap the consequences, thus becoming either an example or a cautionary tale as a result. More often than not, in my recollection, it was a cautionary tale. These were little, but profound, demonstrations of John Stuart Mill's theory on the value of experiments in living: that free people engage in experiments in living, which others can then observe, and the observation of experiments in living leads to the collective formation of norms that work and lead to greater human flourishing.

The things that most people learn and practise in order to live well-ordered, healthy, happy lives are what we have come to call common sense. There is no central repository of the information that we call common sense, but the concept still has profound meaning. It refers to the things most normal people have come to know by experience and perhaps by listening to elders in their lives who have shared from their experience. Experiments in living over time produce general insights that most people recognize as true, the things most people know by experience to be right and sensible.

If a person comes up with a new, novel theory, they might well posit that it is true, but they could not consider it common sense. New, novel theories often challenge common sense, and they are often wrong; not always, but the conservatism that we champion on this side of the House is the idea that we should at least be cautious and deferential when implementing changes in order to preserve the common-sense wisdom of the past. A lot of harm has been done through the capricious application of someone's idea of what would be a good and interesting experiment.

Let us consider one example of this in the policy space, so-called modern monetary theory. This is the theory that a government can spend as much as it wants without being constrained by revenue or worried about the consequences. Some way, somehow, modern monetary theory posits that a government can just run massive deficits in perpetuity. Needless to say, proponents of this radical theory would not consider this theory to be common sense. They would not even pretend it was common sense, because it is novel and radical. Even proponents, I think, would acknowledge it is both novel and radical.

I think we can say that, to a substantial extent, modern monetary theory has been tried in Canada by the government, which no longer believes that it ever needs to target the balancing of the budget and has more than doubled our national debt in the last nine years it has been in office.

This radical, novel theory has been tried and I think we can see now, or most people can see, that it has clearly failed. There are many other new and novel theories this government has tried that have failed as well. It tried experimenting with a carbon tax. It tried experimenting with very high levels of non-permanent immigration in the absence of a housing policy to make up for the need that was thus created. It tried experimenting with hard-drug decriminalization. This is just to name a few examples of radical, novel experiments that this government imposed on this great country.

These were experiments in policy and all of them failed. They were ideas that nine years ago might have sounded good to some people in theory, but we no longer need to simply debate these ideas as theory because we can see them in practice and we can see they have failed in practice.

They are also ideas that I think we can say violated common sense. They went against things we know and have known to be true for a long time about the kinds of policies that work and the kinds that do not. The government tried radical new ideas and these radical new ideas did not work. When Conservatives talk about restoring common sense, we mean, precisely, pushing back against these sorts of radical experiments and restoring an application of long-standing wisdom.

We would make decisions that are rooted in the common-sense experience of real people. We would replace the government's weak, weird, woke and wasteful policies with common-sense conservatism, with ideas rooted in the conclusive experience of history and the things normal people know from experience to be true.

I want to make one other observation about common sense, and that is that one of the biggest attacks we see on common sense is from privileged people who promote their luxury beliefs at the expense of everyone else. Luxury beliefs are ideas promoted by privileged people, often not actually practised by the people promoting them, that confer on the promoter a kind of social recognition and status.

Here are a few examples: rich and privileged people pushing calls to defund the police while themselves relying on private security or living in gated communities; politicians denouncing choice in education while finding workarounds for their own families; and leaders pushing for higher taxes on small businesses while ensuring they will never have to pay those higher taxes themselves. These are examples of luxury beliefs where the proponents of these radical ideas have the power and the privilege to protect themselves from the impacts of the weird experiments. They are running an experiment, but they are stepping out of the lab, so they are not affected. A normal person living in the real world cannot afford to ignore common sense for long, because a lack of common sense will catch up with them. It will have consequences for their life that they and others notice and that will lead to a course correction.

Well-functioning democracies, by protecting the voice of the common people in decision-making, maximize the chance that collective decisions will be informed by common sense. The common people are often most in touch with common sense, because the common people have to live with the consequences of collective decisions. However, a small, privileged elite can often continue, even for a long time, to hold, promote and govern on the basis of a narrow set of luxury beliefs that defy common sense, while protecting themselves from the impact of those decisions.

This fundamentally defines the record and practice of the current government: making decisions based on luxury beliefs that its members can insulate themselves from and that in reality have devastating impacts on the lives of everyday Canadians.

The Prime Minister is generally insulated from the impacts of his carbon tax. He will not even share information about the amount of greenhouse gases his own activities produce. We have sought that information before and have not received it. He has a taxpayer-funded home and has never struggled to afford a home because of inherited wealth. He has the privilege to protect himself from inflation and he does not have to live in communities devastated by his own dangerous drug decriminalization policies.

The Prime Minister persists in his own luxury beliefs because he does not see or experience those real-world consequences. Today, many Canadians, who once voted for him, can see the failure of his luxury beliefs and see the urgency of our call in response to these radical experiments. Our call is for a return to common sense, to axe the tax, to build the homes, to fix the budget and to stop the crime, to reverse these radical policies and replace them with clear common-sense priorities.

Conservatives' priorities notably correspond to these specific areas of NDP-Liberal failed experiments. They brought in a carbon tax, which was an experimental idea. It was the theory that if we increase the cost of everything, this will lead to less consumption in areas that produce carbon emissions. This failed because, as history has shown us, technological change leads to changes in behaviour. It was not through taxes on horses that we saw the transition to the automobile. It was through the invention of the automobile.

I remember seeing a post online of someone showing a picture of a street before the invention of the car and after the invention of the car, and it showed how quickly things can change. The point is that things changed because new alternatives become available that allow people to adapt. We would not have seen that change through a tax on horses. It just would have made taking a horse and buggy more expensive.

The carbon tax was a theory. It was tried. It has not worked. The government has not reached its targets at all. There are other countries that have pursued other policies that I think have been more effective than the actions of the government. The Conservatives' response is to reject the Liberals' radical experimentation and restore common sense in this area with our proposal to axe the tax.

When it comes to another area of experimentation, the Liberals brought in changes around housing and immigration. They were experimental changes. They radically increased non-permanent immigration to this country. They did not have any plans around home construction. In fact, fewer homes are being built today than were built in this country in the 1970s, despite the growth in population.

This experiment of not having enough homes to meet the needs of the population was a radical experiment. Individual members of the government are insulated from the impacts of the experiment, but it was an experiment that failed. In response to that, we want to champion a return to common sense, the common-sense proposal to build the homes.

Then, as I already talked about, the Liberals experimented with modern monetary theory. They wanted to try something new. They tried dramatically increasing spending and did not worry about, at any point, balancing the budget. It was a radical, novel idea. I think many people would say it would be nice if that was true. It would be nice if we could spend infinitely without needing to worry about where the money came from, but that is just not how the world works.

Disraeli famously said that the facts of life are conservative. What goes up must come down. There is a basic reality the experimentation defied. The Liberals acted on fiscal policy, and continue to act on fiscal policy, in defiance of basic common sense. The wisdom that people naturally gather over time by living normal lives, is that they realize that they cannot spend money they do not have, and if they spend money they do not have, eventually it is going to catch up to them. That is common sense.

The government tried to defy common sense. It did not work. In response to that failure, the Conservatives have a proposal to fix the budget. It is to institute a dollar-for-dollar rule, which restores common sense. If we are going to spend a dollar on something, that dollar has to come from somewhere. We cannot spend money we do not have, and if we have that money, it had to come from somewhere. It is simply asking government to discipline itself to that common-sense reality.

That is our plan to fix the budget: axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and finally stop the crime. We have seen radical experiments from the Liberals on crime. When they took office, they made substantial changes to the bail system. We can see, if we look at the data on violent crime in this country, how violent crime was going down under Stephen Harper, and it started to go up when the Prime Minister took office. It is because the Liberals made specific policy changes—

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5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. What does this have to do with the concurrence motion? If the member wants to debate the budget or another piece of legislation, perhaps he should allow the government to introduce it so we can debate that.

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Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

We have debated concurrence motions a lot, but we are not doing that. We are actually on the privilege motion now.

However, I will remind the hon. member to come back to the privilege motion at hand.

The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, we have seen the radical experiments of the government on crime, and that is why Conservatives are championing common-sense proposals to stop the crime. We will axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime. These common-sense principles respond to the radical experimentation of the government. I hope that is helpful for members of the government in understanding these principles of common sense.

The member highlighted the privilege issue. I have talked a bit about the privilege of the government and how it is so privileged that it has insulated itself from the impacts of its bad policies. In particular, in this privilege motion, we are talking about the fact that the government has refused to hand over documents ordered by the House of Commons. What I have been building up to is the reality that the government's approach to scandal and to the House of Commons demonstrates a lack of regard for the basic principles of common sense.

We are talking in this privilege motion about the rights of the House of Commons, fundamentally, to order the production of documents. We call it the House of Commons for a reason. It is because the House of Commons has always been the institution that represents the common people. I talked earlier in this speech about how the common people are necessarily in touch with common sense by the experience of their lives, whereas it is often the case that a privileged elite can become disconnected from common sense. We are in the House of Commons championing the common sense of the common people and the right of that House of Commons, on behalf of the common people, to order the production of documents that are relevant for the work of the House.

In the midst of its defence of power and privilege against the common people and the House of Commons, we have a government that is refusing to hand over documents that have been ordered. In the spirit of common sense, Conservatives are going to continue to demand that those documents be handed over. What are the documents? Aside from the principle of the right of the people's House to order the production of documents, what exactly are the documents the government is making its stand on in defence of power and privilege against the rights of the people to order these documents? It is about a corrupt green slush fund, where government insiders were able to, because of their privileged access, hand out money, and they did so often to companies that were owned by people on that very board. There was a group of insiders appointed by the government that was able to hand out $400 million to various companies, and it used that insider access, that power, to give money to its own companies.

This is obviously a violation of the basic principles of common sense. I think any reasonable person thinking about what makes sense and what is fair would understand that there should not be people with the power to allocate taxpayers' dollars to companies that they own. That is just common sense, but it was not common sense that penetrated the elite decision-making circles within the government. Both the process of this motion, the fact that the government is refusing to hand over documents, and the substance behind it, which is what happened with the green slush fund, underline the need to restore that common sense to the decision-making that takes place here in Parliament and in Ottawa, in general. The very fact that the government insiders thought that what they were doing was okay or that they could get away with it illustrates how broken things have become under the government.

I could go through the litany of scandals. Just this week, the government operations and estimates committee was doing ongoing work on the Liberals' indigenous procurement scandal, how elite non-indigenous insiders took money that was supposed to be benefiting indigenous companies. In fact, the AFN said that the vast majority of those who benefited from these set-asides were actually shell companies. We had an auditor before committee who said that he, years ago, came to the government with evidence of criminal activity by people pretending to be indigenous, saying that these allegations should be referred to the RCMP, and the government decided not to do that. It is unbelievable that an auditor would say there is criminal activity and that the government would decide not to hand the documents over.

It is time to restore the common sense of the common people united for our common home, and that is what we should be standing up for in this House of Commons.

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5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have certainly enjoyed the choice of words used by Conservatives lately. They do not talk about balancing the budget, but about fixing the budget. I am wondering if the member can tell me the difference between the two because I certainly do not think they mean balancing it. If we look at the history of the Conservatives over the last few decades, neither Stephen Harper nor Brian Mulroney balanced the budget. Actually, Harper only had two balanced budgets. One questionable budget was just before he left in 2015 and the other was on the heels of Paul Martin's surplus in 2006.

The member talked about fixing the budget. What is the difference between fixing and balancing? He can spare me the rhetoric that every dollar spent must be saved. Does that basically mean that they will keep the deficit exactly where it is? In reality, most governments accept the fact that running deficits is okay as long as they are growing the economy at a pace that is outpacing the deficits, which has been the case for this government.

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5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, let us all have a bit of a chuckle about what just happened. The member said, ”I want an answer to this question, but spare me the answer that I expect you to give.” I might as well just sit down, but maybe I will just give him that answer again so that he understands. Maybe after a few times he will actually learn something.

This is common sense, so it is good for the member to hear it. To fix the budget, we will bring in a dollar-for-dollar rule. That means when a dollar is spent that dollar needs to come from somewhere. The government needs to identify when it is making spending decisions. If it is proposing to spend $100 million on something over here, it needs to be able to say where that $100 million will come from. The money has to come from somewhere to go to the spending item. That is common sense.

What the NDP-Liberal government has pursued is a radical policy in defiance of common sense, where it seems to believe that it can promise new spending without ever offering an account of where that money came from. The effect of that has been massive inflation, making life significantly less affordable for Canadians, more than doubling the national debt. It is a horrible record, a record worse than any previous Conservative or Liberal prime minister.

Canadians are going to be living with the debt caused by the NDP-Liberal government for a very long time. However, we are prepared to use common sense to clean up the atrocious mess that it has created and restore our common home.

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5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Mr. Speaker, back in the Harper era, the Conservative government reduced the GST. Members will recall that it went from 7% to 5%. I would like my colleague to explain why today, a few years later, his party objects to a GST holiday.

How was the fiscal impact under the Conservatives different from the current fiscal impact with the Liberals in power?

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5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is very clear the difference between an across-the-board, permanent tax cut and the temporary tax trick proposed by the NDP-Liberal government. We permanently reduced the GST from 7% to 6% to 5%. We did so while balancing the budget. Of course, there were timely temporary deficits during the global financial crisis and we brought the country back to a balanced budget. It was a prudent fiscal approach and we were able to cut taxes permanently and across the board, cutting the GST.

This temporary tax trick says that we are going to change the list of goods that are tax-exempt for a period of two months, so there will be one list of tax-exempt goods now. That list is going to change for two months and then it is going to change back, which is just a nightmare from an administrative standpoint for small businesses that have to manage this. It is a trick because it will not cut people's taxes permanently. We favour permanent, across-the-board, effective tax cuts to make our system simpler and more effective and to provide Canadians the tax relief they deserve.

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5:15 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, the member is correct that, under that time frame, the Harper administration did bring in the largest Canadian deficit at that time, $56 billion. Prior to that, it was Brian Mulroney in a Conservative government, at $40 billion. Also, during that time frame, the Conservatives brought in the HST, thanks very much, with Brian Mulroney's GST before that, and they borrowed up to $6 billion to pay the different provinces to bring in the HST, which we are still paying for right now.

Does my colleague right now regret the Stephen Harper government for having us pay interest on the deficit that we have today and then, on top of that, for paying interest on the money we had to borrow to bring in its HST policy?

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member from the NDP wishes to hold me accountable for decisions of the Mulroney government. I was born in 1987. Respectfully, I know he is a bit older than me and he has been in this place for a long time, but I do not know that I am necessarily well positioned to defend all the decisions of the Mulroney government at that time.

I will say that, over the course of almost 150 years of this country's history, up until 2015, our national debt was at a certain point. Over the Harper years, that debt-to-GDP ratio went down overall. We went through the global financial crisis and we balanced the budget coming out of that. We lowered the debt-to-GDP ratio. However, when we compare the entire accumulated debt of this country, from Confederation to 2015, with the nine years under the NDP-Liberal government, more debt has been run up by one Prime Minister in nine years than every single prime minister before that.

We can debate the particulars of the Mulroney government's record and of the Diefenbaker government's record. We can talk about R.B. Bennett at some point as well. The fact is that, in comparing all of those prime ministers of the past, the NDP-Liberal Prime Minister has run up more debt than all of them combined.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the member could comment a bit about the wasteful spending. I cannot believe the wasteful spending over the last nine years.

The member for Kingston and the Islands asks what we are going to do. My colleague here will outline that we would not have this wasteful spending, such as $10 million on a cricket farm about an hour from where I grew up, $400 million in this slush fund and millions of dollars to Loblaws for coolers. I would like my colleague to talk about the wasteful spending.

One last point is that the member for Windsor is a great guy; I like him. He can talk about the spending, but I remember. I was here. Megan Leslie and Nathan Cullen said to spend more. It is one thing to say it, but that is what they were saying.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is a great question from my colleague. I do not think there is enough time in most of our lives, actually, to lay out all the waste that has happened.

However, I have the honour of serving on the government operations committee, and I will just highlight a few things that we have been able to identify there in terms of government waste. While the size of the public service has grown, there has also been a dramatic increase in spending on outside consultants. We would expect these things to go inversely; if there were a larger public service, there would be less need to contract out or vice versa. However, under the current government, there has been growth in the public service and it is contracting out more. The government is contracting to people who are then subcontracting. There is this whole class of professional contractors and subcontractors who receive contracts and then subcontract, companies like GC Strategies.

We have seen horrendous abuse of the indigenous procurement program, where non-indigenous elite insiders pretend to be indigenous or set up shell companies or abusive joint ventures and then use those arrangements to take contracts that should be benefiting indigenous communities. We are talking about the green slush fund today. There are abuses of the indigenous procurement program. There is outrageous spending on contracting out to friends of the government, like McKinsey and others. These are some of the obvious, significant examples.

I am very proud of the fact that when we have put forward proposals for cutting Canadians' taxes, like by taking the GST off new home construction, for example, we have, in every case, identified where the money is going to come from. That is our approach.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, it is once again my pleasure to get on my feet and talk about the SDTC slush fund of the Liberals and the corruption that has gone through the organization from top to bottom for years and years, nine long years. I will also bring into the debate some other governments that have had some scandals as well.

I come from Saskatchewan, and for a long time I was not proud of it. The governing party was the NDP in Saskatchewan, and it had scandal after scandal, so I will compare and contrast some of the scandals of my home province with some of the scandals that are happening right here in Ottawa.

First, though, I hope I have some leeway from my friend, the member for Kingston and the Islands. I would like to take this time, as I am not sure whether I will be on my feet again, to wish everyone across Regina—Lewvan and everyone in Canada a very Merry Christmas. Christmas is one of my favourite times of the year.

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5:20 p.m.

An hon. member

Merry Christmas.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member very much. We can bring some joy to the chamber. Christmas is excellent. We got the Christmas tree up on November 12. My wife was very excited to get the Christmas tree up—

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5:20 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, I should have waited for the GST break, I guess, but we had the tree up a little bit before the GST cut's coming into place.

We did some hard work and got the backyard rink ready so we can have a hockey game with the kids and the uncles, who are with us for Boxing Day, when we welcome the start of the world junior hockey championship, which is being hosted right here in Ottawa. I wish good luck to team Canada. It is a family tradition to watch all the junior hockey games, and I am looking forward to that as well.

Let me move on to the SDTC slush fund. I talked about this earlier in my question to my colleague, the member for Cariboo—Prince George, saying that one scandal that took down the Martin Liberals was the ad scam, an advertising scandal that rocked Quebec. It was something that really showed what Liberals do when they are in government.

The Liberals actually, at some points in time, believe that they are above the law. They believe that they have the divine right to govern, and they take every opportunity to enrich their friends and family. We see it time and time again. It is not a flaw of the Liberal organization; it is actually the raison d'être. The Liberals want to be in government so they can enrich their friends and family.

After the Liberals get voted out and the Conservatives have to come in and clean up their mess, their friends and family can give them cushy parachute jobs so they have the opportunity to make money while they wait for their turn to come back into government and wreck everything again, and Conservatives have to clean up their mess.

The SDTC slush fund was a $420-million fund that was set up by the Liberal government. The board was put in place by the Liberal government. The key mandate for SDTC, which was a federally funded non-profit, was to approve and disburse over $400 million to clean-technology companies. Ironically, many of these companies have direct relationships to people in cabinet, and the chair of SDTC actually gave money to her very own company.

My colleague, the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, set it up nicely by talking about common sense. Lots of people would say that it would be common sense that if someone is on a board, especially as chair of the board, appointed by the government to give funds to clean-tech companies, they would automatically assume that one's company would not be eligible or, at the bare minimum, they would recuse themself from the discussions. However, none of this happened with the corrupt organization.

Here are the numbers that the Auditor General's audit found: Funding was approved by the SDTC board for 10 ineligible projects. There were 96 cases where conflict of interest policies were not followed, 90 cases where conflict of interest policies were also not followed for projects without ensuring contribution agreement terms were met, $19.5 million for seed projects and $38.5 million for COVID relief payments. The funding in overlaps was $62 million, for a grand total of $390 million that was given out to ineligible projects or to projects that were found by the Auditor General to be in conflict of interest.

This is something that has rocked the Liberal Party of Canada and its junior partner, the NDP. These documents are so bad. This is why we are seized with this debate, day in and day out. Liberals and their NDP junior partners are terrified to see what is in these documents. They have no idea how bad this is going to get, so they do not even want to look at what has happened in this case.

I remember the 2015 campaign, the member for Papineau was running around the country saying “sunny ways” and that there would never be a more open and transparent government in the history of Canada than the one headed by the member for Papineau. What an absolute failure.

There have been over 70 scandals by the current government, and at the head of these scandals is the current NDP-Liberal Prime Minister, who himself has been in a conflict of interest, not once but twice. I once heard a very good quote from a fine football movie called Remember the Titans: “Attitude reflects leadership.”

We see that within the Liberal and NDP caucuses. Their leaders have the attitude of “rules for thee but not for me.” That comes straight from the Prime Minister's Office. They believe they are above the law and that taxpayers' dollars are there for them to spend as they please, conflict of interest be damned. It does not matter to them. They are very much entitled to their entitlements, which I think came from one of their members a few years ago.

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An hon. member

Dingwall.