House of Commons Hansard #391 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was conservatives.

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Access to Parliamentary Precinct—Speaker's RulingPrivilege

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I am now ready to rule on the question of privilege raised on December 6 by the member for Thornhill concerning access to the parliamentary precinct.

In her intervention, the member alleged that a protest in the lobby of the Confederation Building on the morning of Tuesday, December 3 impeded her ability to access her parliamentary office and, more broadly, obstructed parliamentary business. She stated that, in some other instances, meetings had to be cancelled. Citing procedural authorities, previous rulings and committee reports on past incidents regarding access to the precinct, the member noted that such matters typically constitute prima facie breaches of privilege.

The member further argued that media reports on December 5 suggested that the members for Edmonton Strathcona, Hamilton Centre and Winnipeg Centre joined the protesters in the lobby of the building and were thereby complicit in preventing other members from accessing their offices. She suggested that this was an intentional obstruction of Parliament and could constitute contempt.

Other members intervened to provide their accounts of what transpired that morning, including the member for Battlefords—Lloydminster, who stated that her safety and her staff’s safety were jeopardized.

For their part, the members for Edmonton Strathcona, Hamilton Centre and Winnipeg Centre disputed the claims that they were involved in the organization of the protest. The member for New Westminster—Burnaby further noted that the question of privilege was raised several days after the events took place and therefore not at the earliest opportunity.

The Chair must first clearly state that the safety and security of members, staff and other visitors is always taken very seriously. Nobody should feel unsafe anywhere within the parliamentary precinct.

Upon hearing the concerns raised by the member for Thornhill, I immediately inquired with the Sergeant-at-Arms and the Parliamentary Protective Service, known as PPS, to ascertain the circumstances of the protest. Their account of events shows that, throughout the protest, the safety of individuals, including members, and the security of the precinct was never compromised. Furthermore, the appropriate level of resources, which were nonetheless significant, was deployed and the situation was resolved in a timely and peaceful manner.

In her submission, the member for Thornhill noted that media reports in the days following the incident led her to raise her question of privilege when she did, as they demonstrated an organized attempt to obstruct the business of Parliament. However, the Chair's view is that any obstruction to members, their staff and guests would have been apparent in the moment, regardless of what media reports would subsequently reveal. As a result, in raising her question on December 6, when the incident occurred on the morning of December 3, the Chair is not satisfied that the member raised the matter at the earliest opportunity. Nevertheless, the Chair still wishes to address this question of privilege by assessing the merits of the matter.

In the case before us, the Chair is being asked to determine if the events of December 3 impeded members in the discharge of their parliamentary duties. As stated in House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, at page 108:

Over the years, Members have regularly brought to the attention of the House instances which they believed were attempts to obstruct, impede, interfere, intimidate or molest them, their staff or individuals who had some business with them or the House.

It further states on the same page:

Speakers have consistently upheld the right of the House to the services of its Members free from intimidation, obstruction and interference.

The incident was disruptive and stressful. It was indeed regrettable, for instance, that one member's guest cancelled his visit because of security concerns. It is nonetheless important to the Chair to reassure members that PPS followed the necessary protocols for addressing these types of situations. The PPS officers prioritize safety for all while allowing members to enter the building.

During the protest in the main entrance and lobby of the Confederation Building, members, staff and business visitors were redirected to enter the building through an alternate entrance while PPS officers dealt with the protest inside the building. Where warranted, PPS officers escorted members and their visitors to a secondary and secure door into the building.

In her submission, the member for Thornhill referred to previous cases where members were impeded in some way. Several examples involved a variety of events, such as protests or police security cordons that resulted in delays for members trying to access the precinct or the Chamber. The Chair would like to point out that breaches of privilege generally involved members being impeded in their access to a proceeding of the House or its committees. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states at page 109:

In order to find a prima facie breach of privilege, the Speaker must be satisfied that there is evidence to support the Member’s claim that he or she has been impeded in the performance of his or her parliamentary functions and that the matter is directly related to a proceeding of Parliament.

In a ruling on a similar matter involving a sit-in in a minister’s office, coincidentally also in the Confederation Building, Speaker Milliken stated on March 25, 2011, at page 9246 of the Debates:

...in this particular case...there is little evidence to suggest that the staff of the minister were obstructed in the fulfillment of their duties.... In view of the very high threshold required in adjudicating such situations, in this circumstance the Chair cannot find that a prima facie question of privilege has arisen in this matter.

In the current case, while it was indeed disruptive, the Chair cannot conclude that members were prevented from discharging their parliamentary duties as concerns parliamentary proceedings. Accordingly, based on this high threshold, the Chair does not find the matter constitutes a prima facie question of privilege.

The Chair also wishes to address the allegations that members were involved in or assisted in organizing the protest. All three members named, while expressing sympathy for the cause of the cause of the protesters, categorically denied being involved in organizing the protest, stating that their interactions with the demonstrators were brief and unplanned. As is the custom of this place, the Chair takes members at their word.

That said, I would encourage all members to think twice before doing anything that could be construed as supporting a demonstration inside one of our parliamentary office buildings. While the grounds outside are open to the public and may be used for protests within certain guidelines, the buildings themselves are not public spaces and therefore, for obvious reasons, should not be used for this purpose. It is a very basic matter of security. While some members may be sympathetic to a cause and feel that a protest poses no risk to them, they should recognize that their colleagues may not feel the same way, and if the shoe were on the other foot with another cause in the future, their reaction might be very different.

I thank all members for their attention.

Innovation, Science and IndustryRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

Pursuant to order made Monday, June 10, it is my duty to table, in both official languages, a letter I have received from the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel regarding the production of documents from the government, Sustainable Development Technology Canada and the Auditor General of Canada.

Public Accounts of CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Oakville Ontario

Liberal

Anita Anand LiberalPresident of the Treasury Board and Minister of Transport

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to table, in both official languages, “Public Accounts of Canada 2024”. I can confirm that the Auditor General has provided once again an unqualified audit opinion on the Government of Canada's financial statements. I have multiple binders here that will evidence the foregoing.

Auditor General of CanadaRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

It is my duty to lay upon the table, pursuant to subsection 8(2) of the Auditor General Act, a report of the Auditor General of Canada to the House of Commons entitled “Commentary on the 2023-2024 Financial Audits”.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), this document is deemed to have been permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts.

2023-24 Departmental Results ReportRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Oakville Ontario

Liberal

Anita Anand LiberalPresident of the Treasury Board and Minister of Transport

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, on behalf of 87 departments and agencies, the “2023-24 Departmental Results Report”.

Foreign AffairsRoutine Proceedings

10:10 a.m.

Ahuntsic-Cartierville Québec

Liberal

Mélanie Joly LiberalMinister of Foreign Affairs

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), and in accordance with the policy on the tabling of treaties in Parliament, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the treaty entitled “General Security of Information Agreement between Canada and Ukraine”, done at Brussels on December 3, 2024.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

December 17th, 2024 / 10:15 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8)(a), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to 11 petitions. These returns will be tabled in an electronic format.

While I am on my feet, I move:

That the House do now proceed to Orders of the Day.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, we request a recorded vote, please.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

Call in the members.

The House divided on the motion, which was negatived on the following division:)

Vote #926

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

10:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I declare the motion defeated.

Canada Fresh Water Day ActRoutine Proceedings

11 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

moved for leave to introduce An Act to establish Canada Fresh Water Day.

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to introduce a bill entitled an act to establish Canada fresh water day.

While I am on my feet, I move:

That the House proceed to first reading of Senate public bills.

Canada Fresh Water Day ActRoutine Proceedings

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

Canada Fresh Water Day ActRoutine Proceedings

11 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

I request a recorded division, please, Mr. Speaker.

Canada Fresh Water Day ActRoutine Proceedings

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Vote #927

Canada Fresh Water Day ActRoutine Proceedings

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I declare the motion carried.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Speaker, I move that the second report of the Standing Committee on International Trade, presented on Thursday, October 27, 2022, be concurred in.

I will be splitting my time with the member for Bay of Quinte.

This report, from October 2022, is on the softwood lumber dispute. Two years later, absolutely nothing has been accomplished by the incompetent Liberal government, which is now mired in even deeper chaos after the events of yesterday. Therefore, its chance of being resolved any time soon is a distant memory.

In fact, last night, the people of B.C. had an opportunity to pass judgment on the corrupt, incompetent Liberal government and its handling of the softwood lumber file. Tamara Jansen won Cloverdale—Langley City by a whopping 50%. She did not have 50% of the vote; she won by 50%.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I have a point of order.

The hon. member for Humber River—Black Creek.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal Humber River—Black Creek, ON

Mr. Speaker, I know I am new here and you do not always get my title quickly, but I want to suggest that we are here to talk about a very important thing, which is a concurrence motion on international trade. If you are trying to keep people on the point, I would suggest that the comments have already made by my hon. colleague, and we should move on to international trade.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I will remind everyone to stick to relevance, but the hon. member was 40 seconds into his speech.

The hon. member for Dufferin—Caledon.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Speaker, I can understand why Liberals do not want to talk about the absolute thrashing they took in British Columbia, where softwood lumber is the big issue that the committee reported. The people of British Columbia have delivered their judgment on the corrupt, woke, incompetent Prime Minister with a resounding victory in Cloverdale—Langley City by Tamara Jansen by 50% of the vote. The NDP was reduced to 12% with their—

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I have another point of order from the member for Humber River—Black Creek.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal Humber River—Black Creek, ON

Mr. Speaker, we are here to discuss international trade. I recognize the importance of different things that went on yesterday, but if we are going to have a fruitful debate, I would ask that we focus on the issue at hand. I know my vice-chair and the other members are anxious to add their comments.